Speech Transcript - Tag! Your PDF is It!

0:00:10	so i'm i don't i totally don't even need this microphone "'cause" i'm actually really
0:00:13	loud what we're gonna talk about today is tag to pdfs and all the we're
0:00:19	gonna mention accessibility a little bit is actually is an accessibility presentation and the fact
0:00:26	that the accessibility logo appears on every single slide is just me spacing that out
0:00:32	and using the same temp let's i always still but our agenda is to talk
0:00:37	about tag pdfs what they are why we want them and how to make them
0:00:43	because once you find out what they are and why we want them
0:00:48	finding out that it's really easy to make them is gonna be quite
0:00:53	important in my opinion we talk about the current status of a project are actually
0:00:57	going to be talking about which is implementing detect pdf support and then we're gonna
0:01:03	demos are always subject to the double what fact and what we would be able
0:01:08	for you is totally screenshot of so we have screen shots we can provide demos
0:01:13	upon request and you fix the crash so we should be okay without but we
0:01:18	just don't see it as
0:01:21	you know absolutely park actually necessary
0:01:24	okay so attack P D that's kind of like a P D F on steroids
0:01:28	it has a lot more stuff than it lot of met information in particular as
0:01:33	you might of guessed from the name tag pdf it has tax element tags very
0:01:37	similar and in some cases exactly the same as you see in H T M
0:01:41	L
0:01:42	there are also I Ds for every single element
0:01:46	there's alternative text if it's provided and there's also i have to kinda google to
0:01:51	find out exactly what this means from the spec replacement text for symbols the spec
0:01:56	expect pretty
0:01:57	flexible but the first thing or the one above it alternative text for images and
0:02:03	other things like that those are like big phrases and descriptive
0:02:09	whereas for symbols
0:02:12	you could characters a single letter that's a graphic those kind of things so the
0:02:17	replacement text is assumed according to the spec to be a single character and that's
0:02:21	what the differences between those two things
0:02:24	okay right we want them and i told you i was gonna talk a little
0:02:27	tiny bit about accessibility what's motivated or implementing the tag speak with the tag P
0:02:34	D F's
0:02:35	is accessibility
0:02:37	because there there's a couple problems with advance as you guys may have noticed from
0:02:42	our recent friends of good
0:02:43	for into can campaign and i can't
0:02:48	relate
0:02:51	it's so know just been fired from the board
0:02:55	for the friends of get numb campaign it's just a big old we need to
0:02:59	make the stuff accessible and part of that is no i believe zero accessibility right
0:03:04	now part of it is for non tacked pdfs getting the minimal level of accessibility
0:03:09	i want that will give users who are blind is accessed at about the level
0:03:14	of G at it
0:03:16	and as you know G at it doesn't have things like heading and list items
0:03:20	and stuff like that it's just text so having just text is better than having
0:03:24	nothing at all
0:03:25	and we're not gonna talk about that aspect of what we've been working on but
0:03:29	there is so much semantic and structural information in X M L mark
0:03:36	marked up mark up marked up documents like that something is a heading level one
0:03:42	or heading level to or a table and how many rows and columns are in
0:03:45	that table these were all things this site as you
0:03:48	these my stuttering a sighted users
0:03:51	we just look at and them you know we know what's going on if you're
0:03:55	user who was blind your screen reader needs to present that in speech and in
0:04:00	braille and in order for that to happen we need access to all this that
0:04:04	information and we don't have it because popular has absolutely no support for tech pdfs
0:04:13	by the way thanks again friends of you know this is lots of all some
0:04:17	stuff related to this whole project is happening because of that campaign
0:04:22	now
0:04:24	honestly i could care less about some of these things i am totally motivated by
0:04:28	accessibility but i think the rest of the community should really care about tech pdfs
0:04:32	for because of the items on this slide you know we keep talking about you
0:04:37	know
0:04:38	are we still calling it can all my last but we're talking about getting on
0:04:41	tablets and smaller devices with smaller screens
0:04:44	and if we can a tree flow these documents on you know a little and
0:04:49	very phone or if i don't phone that looks like my hundred phone if you
0:04:53	know the whole pdf experts is gonna suck on the mobile platform so if we
0:04:58	have tag pdfs we could really easily do re well
0:05:04	then the rest is the copy paste and export if i select text from an
0:05:10	a beautifully market pdf that be really cool if i don't lose not just that
0:05:14	formatting
0:05:16	but you know the fact that something is a heading
0:05:18	the fact that something is a table if i just get taxed
0:05:21	i might have to reformat it or at that point i might just you know
0:05:24	it might not be worth that i can type fast
0:05:28	okay so there's hundreds in the bad news because this is on the right if
0:05:33	you use lee profits
0:05:35	it and i'll show you a screenshot and then it is like to burke easy
0:05:38	it's like one step to export your document to tag pdf
0:05:43	so that means if you care about accessibility if you want the reef well if
0:05:47	you want to copy and paste it's a single step but that this is like
0:05:50	no little supports this alex said that a bunch of research the other day about
0:05:54	that's it it's like and they work now but i did it's literally were just
0:05:58	like no it's you know sky like soup nazi on seinfeld that X P D
0:06:02	F for you know there is and you know better than i do some people
0:06:05	are interested
0:06:07	that in fact is possible indication of will be looks at the documents is fine
0:06:12	because i've so you can just have to unpack pdf you can this problem to
0:06:19	all the T and they usually we ought to us but pca that means that
0:06:25	will docks cost all the is to all the information format
0:06:29	i don't know we looks can supplant respond to that idea but in because of
0:06:33	lactic there are a lot of interesting that because after all for example in that
0:06:38	kind of mix
0:06:41	they want to i mean is in is in a lot of faculties is mandatory
0:06:45	product to see have to complain it pdfs so they need that they actually really
0:06:52	interested because we want
0:06:55	mathematics be accessible
0:06:58	something that is not happening right now in the case of it works is also
0:07:03	happened same you when you say that's a P D F is there is no
0:07:06	provision to greatest target pdf bought you can spoke to all the we develop this
0:07:14	great that we did show them what i mean is that well just to do
0:07:17	is there so they are not using that and then there a lot of tools
0:07:21	that great E D S but they don't have in your children in the rest
0:07:24	of we don't know them tutors if i would have leds thereof
0:07:29	tools but then find then we will ask i would be an effective because they're
0:07:35	this is what happened with other tools to
0:07:38	i was kind of funny i said you know alex can guess this list of
0:07:42	all the tools and it's kind of like okay all these are now may i
0:07:44	stop now
0:07:46	it's like you can stop so there may be other tools out there that do
0:07:49	have this support that we found one it has perfect quick support i got a
0:07:54	whole bunch that doubt and then alex got tired
0:07:59	okay i'm hoping a you can ever get like an entire dialogue and big enough
0:08:04	but i'm hoping you can see the one little thing that's czech that's attacked pdf
0:08:08	and so basically all you have to do with sleeper office and this is for
0:08:11	brighter calc and it impress and presumably the others you just have to choose export
0:08:17	to P D F from the file menu dialogue pops up czech tack pdf as
0:08:22	it wanna point out is that right about that czech boxers pdf slash a one
0:08:27	and a all standards need to have lots and lots of letters and numbers on
0:08:30	them i don't know why that is actually you know we could be said that
0:08:34	attacked pdf a skylight pdf on steroids well this P D F a one a
0:08:39	it's kinda like pad pdf on steroids
0:08:42	and what it gives your excuse me the objective is for searching and quantum plugged
0:08:47	re proposing document content
0:08:50	and it includes and i don't understand this and standards at all i would think
0:08:54	that be would include a rather than a including be but for some reason the
0:08:58	one a includes one be and that like it's put on the slide it's about
0:09:03	document appearance
0:09:06	and we're gonna come back to that point in the minute structure and hierarchy you
0:09:10	know other child objects you know what are the parent objects you know what it
0:09:15	is actually a tree
0:09:17	tacked pdf which we've already talked about unicode character maps to be perfectly frank id
0:09:23	to go read the big sixty enter to know exactly what that means and what
0:09:28	is expected and language specification just what like which is something
0:09:35	so in terms of the current status of the work that's been done
0:09:39	popular right now some of that's and master a some of it's in a branch
0:09:42	but right now the entire document structure of tact pdfs
0:09:46	it's been implemented for poplar works posing all of this information for popular G lab
0:09:54	and there's some that if you who are like popular geeks there's all these different
0:09:58	tools to examined documents and information about the altars and all that stuff and those
0:10:05	tools of been modified to expose this information so that you can
0:10:10	verify that attack pdf is coming out the way you expect and popular
0:10:16	okay we have not yet got into doing anything with this in advance that's gonna
0:10:22	be the next main step and i put in parentheses you know then doing this
0:10:26	for accessibility because again this is this is what motivated all of this work
0:10:31	it's not what's also about all of this work that's what motivated it and we
0:10:35	can't of course expose what is not in advance to assistive technologies but that's the
0:10:40	next priority after about some
0:10:43	and terms of all the support that we've done the reason i put a question
0:10:47	mark by the are one be part
0:10:50	the one be part of the standard is because as you'll see in the fake
0:10:54	demo screenshot that's
0:10:56	we're already totally now able and exposing or preserving rather of the formatting
0:11:03	so what are not we done every last aspect of the standard i couldn't tell
0:11:07	you
0:11:08	i again i would have to read that standard very carefully but at least functionally
0:11:12	i believe that we have all that implemented
0:11:15	that pdf again is already done word exposing the hierarchy since i'm not entirely sure
0:11:21	what the official definition and spec requirements are for unicode character maps i can tell
0:11:26	you
0:11:26	and we
0:11:29	and we are already exposing these the language if there is a language associated with
0:11:35	an element
0:11:37	so i kind of already set this particular next steps are to do the a
0:11:41	bedside work
0:11:43	expose that to assistive technologies
0:11:45	and figure out exactly what the status is what the standard the last thing on
0:11:49	their this is i think it'd be one of those patches welcome some people just
0:11:54	i personally lovely profits some people don't because it's is big joining at the time
0:11:59	slow creature there is nothing we don't have time or the expertise quite frankly the
0:12:06	motivation to add export support in all of the tools that are currently no but
0:12:12	if you sell your favourite tool on there like that the community would welcome a
0:12:16	patch
0:12:22	and information with the previous like that about
0:12:27	sport in the
0:12:30	to use in the that previous this is something like the F on that you
0:12:35	can problem
0:12:37	when we were when we were talking a lot about sort of also well we
0:12:40	use it is that they did he say that the well the results they were
0:12:44	not
0:12:45	your it is but i seen having target the previous for really target previous you
0:12:51	because one of the tools web upgrading the and the same in this a way
0:12:56	tools upgrade pdfs
0:12:58	well not with the really what is allow great impacted bps because
0:13:03	the P D of re a previous will not able to with a that's what
0:13:09	so i want one is the other reason that colours mention is that it's like
0:13:14	he said nobody knows what attack pdfs and that was one of the things that
0:13:18	motivated me you know telling you what it will be a why you should want
0:13:21	to make add pdfs but i would kinda argue that even if all you guys
0:13:26	start making packed pdfs there is actually still a lot of usage going out there
0:13:30	because the legal requirements you know if you are legally bound to have all of
0:13:36	your documents accessible euro you already know that had pdfs you are already producing them
0:13:42	so even if no one else is making had pdfs governments on educational institutions another
0:13:48	big people who could be sued for not providing documents that are accessible they're already
0:13:53	doing that at pdf colours to know that
0:13:58	okay and how going to the point of this is like that is getting because
0:14:02	this funny because now is them moment that we talk about
0:14:07	what is the world that
0:14:09	we have done but the three that within that do that but what so we
0:14:14	would like science i we imprisoned impetus
0:14:18	just heated up to work because we are really hard not experience are doing document
0:14:23	or something
0:14:24	we are calling about him document but just every night
0:14:27	so i thought that was most appropriate to go sweetie
0:14:32	we thought that was a perfect the best for him and we also though the
0:14:39	world was made by kind of you have at least a month in a piranha
0:14:42	beams are you was a review want to call so
0:14:47	i'd say and if someone is that some of the cold is right now i
0:14:52	did but we were repository right now we so it's up to parents in
0:14:58	you also in some but just some box and in fact some of the bass
0:15:02	were and a
0:15:05	quickly is this we we're where we were providing the demonstration because we were
0:15:11	using tools in fact the fish buttons about providing the tools with the support of
0:15:18	the or the target pdf and the other this at a little bar about a
0:15:23	meeting is it huh
0:15:28	right now
0:15:31	but in the previous weeks kind of the of was W more the call so
0:15:34	some of the buttons on that on that runs is already a master and is
0:15:39	going is and only be remote
0:15:42	and we have a that is life i mean we are we are the know
0:15:47	that and miss sorting a how i passed
0:15:52	how corpus is a task on light of quality strong what's easy but we want
0:15:57	to we added up that as light because
0:16:01	we wanted to and
0:16:04	give is probably to that is not a trivial task
0:16:09	and you have thought that is almost as much work import we have called on
0:16:13	them but we really because this is also in a important
0:16:18	as we are as the others
0:16:21	the support them pop of course that means that eventually some other a three communities
0:16:27	but so what communities like cute well
0:16:30	date is work and we say so we have
0:16:34	it is another example of whatever you some with all the official what communities
0:16:40	mm what i've this is what i'm saying i mean it's not very important how
0:16:44	much the lines about i mean the model sentences and i some popular three thirty
0:16:48	thousand nice some public really means that is not really a at work bone at
0:16:53	this is moment
0:16:55	so
0:16:57	S in the advertisements what we have it for what we have after so before
0:17:03	we have i to call pdf info that just went something in for a lot
0:17:09	of P D F also to cetera and then we have some tools that's great
0:17:14	is based on the P D F
0:17:16	it quit is based on the text
0:17:19	but was think there's without stupor and then we have another to that quick a
0:17:25	nice meal
0:17:26	in fact this is
0:17:28	well the reason we have that we mentioned that tool is because now event on
0:17:32	the look at least some people ask i would like to with the P D
0:17:37	F that i come to that with it being is not about what is what
0:17:40	we have to
0:17:41	and use it all cases is other people recommends to use P D F please
0:17:46	mail to take the pdf on which is to me a but the problem with
0:17:51	that is that you get a P D F without not something that you get
0:17:55	that it's to me it without noticed after
0:17:59	and this is a sample
0:18:01	i you at the i don't have to concede that during the pdf with here
0:18:06	somewhere that the stuff and at the right it's the mail that you
0:18:11	but before that you have work and you know it is the same at with
0:18:16	i'm not and formatting at all i mean okay you have the ball but engaged
0:18:22	me that you have you don't have the information about the kids for example if
0:18:26	you if you use a table
0:18:29	with that tool you who you will have only they can to do that they
0:18:34	yes
0:18:36	just print just without any formatting so you don't know if you aren't it is
0:18:40	the only in this a controller on the second
0:18:44	and the second column
0:18:48	well this is
0:18:50	exactly this is what i was saying i thought also a
0:18:55	well i think that's probably for you would be for you can just a breeze
0:18:59	but if you if you thing they do pdf
0:19:03	when we pulled is this you can see at the right that you have here
0:19:08	is but only text a lot right so is without any formatting at all
0:19:15	so i can as a so we were saying we are going to support
0:19:18	and sorry we as are the and countless other that report of target pdf from
0:19:23	popular so they are so it'd to similar to use that support so i'll be
0:19:28	and weighted up to call pdfs to know that
0:19:32	if you don't do that there is one but you can things that this the
0:19:36	stupor the just to the to be have can things
0:19:40	so i've have some
0:19:43	sorry some you have a chance to be pdf in for you know the two
0:19:46	point just trooper finally
0:19:50	to our problems did it you know emotive to display to here
0:19:57	sure
0:19:58	sure we have the same example
0:20:01	okay left you have to pdf and the right to have this communal but now
0:20:05	you
0:20:06	it meant to system to maybe so
0:20:09	well this is what i alluded to before it that if you remember before the
0:20:14	all of the formatting was lost that this gets back to that one be standard
0:20:18	that i need to read very carefully to see if we're not implementing any aspect
0:20:23	of it but this time the you know like the italics a man heading to
0:20:28	that carried over so there's and like i said there's an excellent chance the bulk
0:20:32	of thee one be standard is now implemented as well
0:20:42	i don't is working
0:20:45	and this is a screenshot of and the tool i mean and in that here
0:20:51	is easy if there's to see that now we have
0:20:54	a is true or of the document because we will have different blocks with this
0:20:59	H one means he there so we can see that it meant based approach but
0:21:04	probably it's you have to see with
0:21:08	with the department did you know
0:21:11	and we can see at
0:21:13	there right about of the right the screenshot that we can see this is to
0:21:17	prove using a at review
0:21:20	that show that you we have
0:21:23	a best and it meant that is heating and element that's a bar find them
0:21:27	and that's another here
0:21:32	we can see a next argument the sample with these items but i've got women
0:21:37	thing
0:21:38	the then the nist at this to put in fact it is what i'm saying
0:21:43	with the previous business well we have the tooling was suggest getting the text a
0:21:48	printing need what printing on is pushing it but without mundane interceptor
0:21:57	and this is the case of the of i think that as you can see
0:22:02	bits to me and maintains is that was a table we have to can do
0:22:05	we have all the roles and with a put this is a tools we only
0:22:09	half it text
0:22:14	you but
0:22:16	hello
0:22:17	you can see the and if you for that is a terminal the mel to
0:22:23	that you to maintaining the different
0:22:26	for all okay there's from the table
0:22:31	i think that
0:22:33	as you can see we are not doing a club time you know because we
0:22:37	have a really expose some these kind of presentations so we know that when you
0:22:42	do that we have minutes work it just depends to quest so we had this
0:22:48	question service as an see as i say you can
0:22:51	in service we are going to probably space
0:22:55	as limestone you contributing to tell you one so and you question
0:23:10	i you said one of the benefits of the tags was
0:23:14	for refund
0:23:16	and me and just
0:23:18	like revealing the ignorance here but i thought that one of the benefits of P
0:23:22	F was the it was always
0:23:25	like print perfect basically me view it so i was wondering like how the idea
0:23:29	every for fits into like the typical pdf
0:23:33	is case like it like the fallback mode or is it
0:23:38	i mean this is funny because when we were we have some for sits for
0:23:42	that one people website the same the same on the forums was saying was saying
0:23:47	that we did well not sort of all that maybe a puppy da was maintaining
0:23:52	that there for you
0:23:54	but
0:23:55	busily that in the end
0:23:57	you want to see the document don't know but there's no way of what is
0:24:02	the size of your screen show in what i mean is
0:24:08	for some local in this it's true that it doesn't make sense tutor for all
0:24:12	but from others
0:24:14	i mean it will be really strange if you need to force to share to
0:24:17	make a sort of this illness after don't want to see that probably
0:24:24	and thought there's some doubts about how to do that a how to probably that
0:24:30	but maybe a is having some
0:24:34	something similar to what it's demand has right now i mean in addition
0:24:40	and estimate happens and you have the roles are hard you move the mobile phone
0:24:45	is a about overflowing
0:24:47	that this
0:24:48	i mean i know that this
0:24:51	it's just train is actually say because they are you know idea of the P
0:24:54	D F was that but we also need to like take into account that these
0:24:59	that pdfs support was obvious
0:25:03	rescinded is less a presently you have if you have for the some yes
0:25:09	but they needed in the same way that there are you know that a proposal
0:25:13	to pdf was not was it was having something so more for really that that's
0:25:20	great but size then it just added to about to something like something more well
0:25:26	how to i don't know how to say that my documents friendly
0:25:34	gonna say something and that might be totally not real that like kerry as if
0:25:40	you a say a bullet is last
0:25:44	or a table and none of the if the fact that that's it actual you
0:25:49	know structural list or actual structural table is not known
0:25:54	what how was that tax cut around is it going to manage to and didn't
0:25:58	itself so it's not under the bullet on the second line or not and if
0:26:03	it's just you know where i mean i think lists items are gonna be the
0:26:08	the biggest use case but
0:26:10	my going but you know tape i'm so you know what i'm really liked so
0:26:16	that which is why i wear
0:26:18	sunglasses
0:26:20	i just was wondering
0:26:23	no if you will
0:26:27	i don't know we are written that actually question more
0:26:32	i guess i can see
0:26:35	we are getting
0:26:38	one
0:26:39	i just to repeat myself i think the but what instances the biggest one because
0:26:44	in
0:26:45	we can actually put these on the screen but before we did attack pdf support
0:26:50	people like character is strictly a character just like any in a and B S
0:26:54	C or whatever and wrapping that taxed will work but if we don't treat it
0:27:00	as an actual list item the indentations gonna be screwed up and it's gonna look
0:27:03	ugly
0:27:08	i have another question to actually
0:27:12	so you should a list of
0:27:14	of tools the
0:27:16	can help protect pdfs
0:27:19	earlier in your presentation
0:27:24	i was wondering if you also look that
0:27:27	other
0:27:28	consumers of P F it support take pdfs and puts the support like
0:27:33	for
0:27:35	so like the rear probably supports I P F but also like be this pdf
0:27:39	that yes support type you have placed in that also sort of drive adoption
0:27:44	something
0:27:48	really don't question because i think that we didn't get it
0:27:51	so those tools are tools that make pdfs there and support I P F
0:27:57	what tools that read P F support i our which class okay
0:28:01	we did we
0:28:03	but in the little world and if just what was in the pitch so we
0:28:08	will
0:28:09	it means will be the first one that will support that because okay we did
0:28:13	it is that because this is official where eve and so you know which will
0:28:18	talk about our spares but and in the rest of the world show windows are
0:28:27	that the stuff
0:28:28	and i've got we will unlock what about the right there is
0:28:33	the they wouldn't course
0:28:36	for example because of well support a spell target pdf
0:28:44	and at this address something that provided above is that is that is that how
0:28:51	it but also that
0:28:53	that we sorry so about be provided a planning or something like that to make
0:28:59	these we have to pdf
0:29:02	and now
0:29:04	because so we have these already doing that so
0:29:08	i mean thought in
0:29:10	a lot of
0:29:11	and government pages talking about and how the pdf should be so should be accessible
0:29:18	base a use accurate right that will be sort of that these target and
0:29:25	make sure that using that growing up right that we is a screen we are
0:29:30	that it it's work fine
0:29:33	and we there was of the pose well it is happening all is the same
0:29:38	the saying that means that they don't support like pdf in but for number one
0:29:43	of the samplers is this pdfs to do it it's to use of the word
0:29:47	for windows will about us is aware set of these is having the same thing
0:29:52	this is but it's also say is a spot to pdf but is not target
0:29:57	so
0:29:59	well we well this work with a tinge finished
0:30:04	we mean that up to fish or what communicate we will have one tool that
0:30:08	properly as well too bad pdf that is little things i want to that is
0:30:12	the teams that probably we target pdfs that would be more or less the same
0:30:17	situation that in the winter that is probably right about it
0:30:22	we
0:30:25	that the difference in terms of windows is that windows has had the ability with
0:30:29	it screen readers to provide access to tag pdf something to lose track but over
0:30:35	again kate now and that you know i know this is an accessibility talk again
0:30:39	that that's i can't separate myself from accessibility it's really embarrassing when people in the
0:30:45	work a list say you know i can use our cup with firefox and leave
0:30:49	are often do all this stuff and people say well what do you do to
0:30:52	read pdfs and some people say you know do the P D F to H
0:30:55	T M L that you lose all the heading information but what a lot of
0:30:58	people say as i bit into windows and i used jaws
0:31:02	so we were solving well we're actually by not having pack pdf support we're actually
0:31:07	sending people off to use non free software and now we're solving this problem
0:31:14	okay and a question sorry we are we are similar question
0:31:19	okay thank
0:31:35	what do you think it next most important thing is to accessibility
0:31:41	in get a but not really with you have
0:31:50	exactly and the next is sort of the
0:31:54	if i have a real that was will verify from on this where it was
0:31:57	not able to go to a presentation about well to the president about was able
0:32:03	to or worse will because the next thing for the next challenge for the so
0:32:11	this team will be the will answer about right now it is pi two
0:32:18	well it's with X in five first of them this is with X so that
0:32:22	made this bass will be
0:32:25	making sure that all other stuff works with waylon
0:32:29	in fact agree you have to dean is somewhat behind the other team's because as
0:32:37	far as the normal but down from can still people use
0:32:41	grading us some kind of this buddy mental bronze we the way that's about so
0:32:47	that means that without if you use the plants you can there is
0:32:52	probably is cost problem or something like that i don't know well the that if
0:32:56	you something to but i a list they
0:32:59	they will provide to the users
0:33:02	i way to this can so long way to and we don't have that on
0:33:05	it's pi so this is the next thing
0:33:11	is okay thank
0:33:15	and more question
0:33:26	i so i just i mean i know idea not has been video so does
0:33:32	when they is this is related it and to something like pdf innovations is it
0:33:37	could be used to something similar or if it's at a bit and related thing
0:33:43	so
0:33:44	i think that the different stuff and i think you know five anything that you
0:33:48	bins racial but adaptation
0:33:52	so
0:33:54	well i we supported a little bit but there was a google summer of code
0:33:59	project that sounds like it might not continue to do some work on that and
0:34:03	there's been a lot of discussion around making i don't know the specifics but around
0:34:09	making annotations way more cool so it sounds like they're that we have a little
0:34:14	support for it but we need a whole lot more but in terms of since
0:34:17	i've ovaries turned this talk into an accessibility talk now annotations to my knowledge has
0:34:23	nothing to do with tack pdfs in terms of accessibility after the annotations get implemented
0:34:29	we're gonna probably have to do a similar accessibility implementation
0:34:33	okay thank you
0:34:41	so i think that
0:34:44	no well thank you for being if you have been every question
0:34:48	you are

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