i'm gonna tell you about on tell you know in the state of integration so

review has heard of long sell

and we use that


okay so i'm young i'm the designer i do the about interface design and overlaps

design and that's the plant design so all of you who don't know what i'm

clout is it's a mainly it's like about that it's a it's a P H

P website you can put on your own server and it has an interface for

files file management has that's for calendar contacts and you can write your own that's


and we have a does some thinking up so you can secure files that a

desktop and what happened and i was that so it's like the files and can

share thingy and i think so the topic of talk i think that it's really

important that we cooperating collaborate because like i personally love you guys and there's been

like i personally had a long history with or not a long history but known

was like my first we open source project where i work with the people and

i'm at the community and i think it's really nice

and so it's also like the signal minimum cost or is also kind of like

a personal story really personal story for me so it's mainly about desktop and web

how we can bring the two together how we can how the one thing can

benefit from the other one and we can work together where one project has resources

for desktop and one of the reasons for web and it's like strong projects loosely

coupled together and so that we that we deliver a full experience to people

and of course everything is open source i because that's important for people's data like

that they that they can hosted themselves like the reason then as a scandal and

i don't know that we are using an open desktop or if we desktop but

using a proprietary cloud is

pretty much a problem i think so we want to change that but we need

proper integration for that that's where good design and then

and that's why want to also give a special shout out to become design team

and all the designers that are sitting in the audience because i think non design

thing has there's been like a big influence on my work also and how we

do design and on cloud a so big thanks and that at that point so

let me or also right the term because system i think is a is a

kind of a maybe a weasel words used by like companies or the monopolies

to strive like an experience that you can only have if you completely buy into

that systems i think it's very important that we sink with or that we that

we collaborate with proprietary stuff as well with open stuff so with nick know online

accounts for instance we have like you can use a google account

use facebook account so i think that is very important to get people who are

using these accounts but we also need to tightly coupled with the free services

so that we have like flexibly can system like i have a i have work

from book running able to i have a firefox that's phone and i have an

ipod touch and it's really help to just sink notes that's not even possible actually

and that's kind of a joke if you think about it so

we tell you a story how and that's about the past like the history of

on telling you know so in early two thousand ten is actually funny because i

done through and mailing list archives is the mail i sent in march two thousand

ten about a three open source alternative to drop box but ignoring katie calibre collaboration

where on top was still like it katie project or it was born out of

katie uses a

and it just send i what i was not participating in on call back then

and just send a mail to the usability list was saying hey there seems to

be like this effort about the on cloud and there was a another effort i

call the design help i think and that was also supported terrible okay and i

just wanted to bring these things together already in two thousand ten and i'm glad

that it went it went further

so in summer two thousand eleven know right that's actually two thousand ten that's a

typo it was what i in haiti where that was my first like it was

a really fun and i also didn't participate in code yet but i wanna like

i saw that great just of and i wanted to sync with or i wanted

to collaborate with the and a cloud thingy where you can sink your data can

second stuff

so in really two thousand eleven that's like the first on top access they didn't

find a better picture actually it's prefix lever that's me out there on the board

sketching for the new design an estimate maybe you some of you know from his

on the right is the founder and of on call

and so we were just five people like than packing on the scout thing

and then in like two thousand eleven i post my thesis a goal usability in

free software which was very much influenced by norm and pile work on cloud

and to push forward actually that the design and usability and for software and

then in late two thousand twelve

no if you can read it but there's integrate own clouding know and it was

push forward piracy i don't know if here you may so

to integrate untalented norm

sinking of calendar contacts and that was started like two thousand twelve also a somewhere

times tree

is here also serum

okay hero to mail to the and what was the marketing this hey guys do

you what you think about installing on cloud and the then shortly after i'm gonna

share later it actually happened so thanks you also so what about the current state

actually of integration

we have grown integration into online accounts so you can you can synchronise you calendar

and contacts with the evolution and you can sing files

so it actually looks like is you have your files mounted as a as a

lot of resource and not a list and you can access then do anything you

want with it it's like a what if resource and

we also have the as i mentioned before we also have the sinking client and

that's actually sings

your data on your device whereas this is like a network drive

then we have a calendar integration and the contacts integration

and we're looking forward to add more stuff and so that's why i've talked to

a lot of you people and i think somebody a we have a deployment at

the cloud don't know not or

where you can we can use on top will

check or you will receive this that's fine in screen and you can if you

question account and andrea so currently it's like currently available to all going teams well

if your foundation member a lot but basically is like ask and referent account and

you will get an account at startup norman organ you can share with other numbers

you can you can create groups three teams

and you can just show you documents secure stuff secure calendars and have it available



i think that's pretty cool i think that too

and but i think it's like we need to look way forward or it's

like even in the immediate future

there's lots of things that we can we can we can do integrating more applications

for instance

so one issue that is still and from the norm online accounts integration is documents

pick up the own code documents

i think the norm documents integration from google from non one like council oops that

was a

the type of so

it needs to like going on documents

should be integrated so that the documents of the files that you have online your

own proud or just send

and then we have nodes we have like a very simple notes at and on

cloud and there we actually have a collaboration i think here even is not here

but he does the he does the don't know that

which is a formally called be japan and maybe you heard about it and it

actually already sense so you have like hello known thank you have a there and

you can just edit it because it works and also via web stuff just use

a second notes subfolder in the

in the finals

files that so it just gets and for free essentially and so you can you

can already have like if you use the same client you can already sing to

know what's you don't even need to wait for notes to be finished a you

can just use your favourite editor and use it but i think that knows that

is way better than just using the file system

and then a we have a news that so as all of you know who

would reader not existing anymore so if you use this it's too late now well

you feel are gone that's kind of a problem so

there is several attentive there's like newsletter which is also free and open source it's


and there is a tiny rss

which is like an it's also php software or something and then there's on top

news which is a an integrated news at some but then it over there and

i think it's really important because

it's and

it's quite a

it's quite a

but or it seems like it's quite a fringe at or quite a fringe on

a use case like to read websites or something because nowadays like people use facebook

introduced ritter and stuff but that's exactly the point we should be able to we

them on our own space and we should be able to track the website on

our own

in our own servers in our own homes the same

so and i also like to dedicate this slides to our and sports who worked

on the process specification and in general on the freedom of the what

and there

customer i think you don't see a that's pretty it it's the news design documents

on the left of numbered or weekly that no not or and i think customers

working on a newsreader for known so that

should be able to sink with that newsreader then and what you get for free

is an android until newsreader you can already downloaded and support the developers like it's

a it's a paid out

and i think it's really good because it's an open source hey that's you can

also download the source and compile it whatnot it's upon get help but i think

it's really important also support open source so if you have a hundred phone just

a have to the store and support the developer of it

and it we have there's and i was a and in development it's karen in

beta and there is a blackberry have i think and windows phone at development also

and then next we have nice i think the i can and number you your

can right

you remember that

okay so maps there is

i just yesterday amenity S who's doing the masking on that set and we have

some people working on there's also into sucks student for katie who does the marble

and on cloud integration marbles the matched up of katie it's like a really go

and stuff

so i think that's really important because there's google maps and then there is

nothing for a long time and then maybe there is like open stream and somewhere

but you can't do routing stuff and so i really think it's important that we

have a proper maps solution i we can just simply search get directions say favourite

places and just have that things

where wherever we are like whichever device we use because it's us

it's just like it

i forgot what i wanna say but it's important to have maps

so the next with music

there's music at the development and we have like a basic music at for about

and there's also turn you go with some of coke student working on a sinking

with achieve i think and i think planet already talked with the cool summer of

course didn't of you guys and

that of course we also need just think it's like very simple just do the

dance and sing the data and have it on your desktop and

whenever something happens have a new desktop and have it on all your devices essentially

and then there's this

thing like it's i feel is kind of the elephant in the room it's mail

it's like i can almost imagine what we use for mail

and i think it's a really big problem so where like our collective hacker intelligence

when's that we all use this mail provider so i think it's really important

that we have a proper

mail solution that is that is

looking good working well and just like basic stuff like fretting and moving stuff filters

and that's some things automatically so we have a start at get about comes like

jean claude such mail

it's very basic but it's a start and especially there if you're interested i would

invite you to collaborate there

and so we can we can finally

host their own email again

and then there is bookmarks

pretty basically we have bookmarks at and i'd actually any of the epiphany or web



okay i need to talk to them later because bookmarks again pretty

normal thing just synced bookmarks

and there you also get another thing for free which is not bookmarks friend right

also and you just have the have the have the bookmarks on your and right

device even better would be of course to sink it like directly i don't know

if that that's possible like with the browser

but there you have it in the out in a couple of months

then videos i thought question there is and don't videos that and there is in

development i saw some commits a about a an uncut videos that so that you

just have like peer videos on the web and just also have those and it's

like it's just really basic i'm just listening actually

the data just need to be saying and tasks i just heard is the land

of here

okay all something to talk to him later this is doing getting these things you

know my heard and we also have like a basic test up and it would

be cool to also

i think that and i could i could continue on and on and on and

there are so many

well actually they're not so many more apps that could be sent a that was

pretty much like the core stuff that what you get when you when you get

an android phone when you get in iphone or something like the basic apps that

everyone needs


they they're like some tiny more that's but there's more than just data and aspect

because data and ask i think is very tangible but you can you know where

your data is you have your home folder and you can just copy over you

can you can back it up on a hard drive a you know where your

apps are you know what the ask you often use are if you miss and

happy just install it or something but that's cumbersome and what happens

and this happens


your laptops brokenness on fire i don't know it's like yesterday you went too much

to drink and you fell into the we have a river here in the city

anyway if we don't have one something else happened and

i think it's important that we also think about all this stuff because that's the

annoying stuff that we need to always said

like appearance like the that that's the background if i have a funny i don't

know funny scroll picture on my background as my background i want everything to it's

not that simple it's just some single file and want to have it when my

laptops broken i want to have a manual a brightness unlock seems like what is

there to saying well the time and it takes a lot or of brightness level

of the what happens if you on market like to just ask for passport or

not keyboard layout the if

you change the keyword layout any keyboard shortcuts

the other online accounts you have configured bluetooth which device you're paired with any specific

colour settings displays when you need use project or something and you have specific resolutions

it's like if you go on a non also touchpad like specific settings like sensitivity

a network save wifi sweater passports power settings what happens if i put the lid

down a printer is annoying as hell as it is so we should not make

it more nine us so just a friend there is

when i like when i connect to printer just save it and thank you don't

have the configuration

"'cause" otherwise if i have a new laptop i need to configure it all again

and it's also annoying of the we have the i got date and time something

as simple as that if it changed my change my regional settings or and also

for sources like install software user counts alright like user images or something like your

real name or so

all of this like saying all of this

i heard there's something called chi settings and we should plug that into and one

line accounts to and just think that

like to me as a design sounds easy enough but i would like to talk

to the person who can do that

so next thing is like everything that is there also need to miss and we

have installed apps

like every at i have installed every a i have not installed because i find

myself when i set up a new computer

and still everything and i uninstall also a whole bunch of stuff because i don't

want certain apps to show up in the in the overview because i just never

use that so i want that to be remembered as well and the favourite apps

a the

screen configuration

like if you use if you still workspace i mean maybe even open apps like

when you computer got smashed like when you were actually working on something like mark

was not gonna give a then you want your

current configuration saved as much as you can recently search items all that stuff like

even the current volume i don't know that's really not that important but let's make


then there's like especially for recorder see of the best receiver get comfy i guess

age you could you can use all this dot files right we have this

there's a strand of having a dot files repository upon gets out so why do

we need that stuff i mean it's funny to share the can think but we

should also just have it saying and have it set up when you found your

new computer

i just haven't work like i don't wanna go express the need to install get

then i need to clone the repository and then i have to say i have

set it up i should just login username and then everything is done

next thing is like passwords like for wife eyes for websites like also for the

browser again notifications like red states is like the most annoying thing you use different

device even

even if you just use two devices like you read it on one device and

on the other device still there that essentially makes medications pointless because there's just a

slew of messages that you don't know jittery this that we do not read this

then there's fonts like all my fun files actually like i want to use a

different font but it didn't work like whatever

i want that saying and there's like a whole bunch of other things like an

single think about we talked about that day before yesterday and we came up with

like a long list of stuff and essentially of everything that isn't settings

plus there's and probably some more things

and then something which i really think is important also that high scores for games

like when you are

at this point

or even further like when you many finish this thing right when you finish you

know mine on this level you all

i do that like maybe once we or something and i have new high score

and then i want have saying that because that's very important

because i can show it off to my friends and them on my computer hume

pewter is broken

i don't know that high score anymore and that's a pity because of them my

friends think i'm line that people shouldn't have to like to their friends about the

high scores so we should just so right it's like it's pretty basic a but

that's a stuff you never think about when you when you think about data sink

it's like

only small things which are in inside the apps which are inside the configuration files

all this all this difference

stuff that makes up the whole the whole of what i put into the computer

or what i did with the computer what i want to be there when i

when and solid again or when i when i have a different device

very simple actually

so just have the apps and then sink everything and not only the data that

is in there but also data vic the metadata and

everything like you probably or most of you probably know more what's

there is or which data there is

so just think that just everything

and if your mind blowing it then i would like to propose that we just

do it i talked to several people you already which i mentioned also and i

wanna or we like as long thought or in the on call community we want

to talk to more of your and wanna collaborate on even more so that we

can we can just have like

have a free desktop operating system with police things like freak out service so this

i think you have your of your old insulation or you started in on the

door and then you can just one someone takes a hammer especially laptop well you

just have to devices like i don't know i don't think happens that often that

someone takes a hammer something but you just have to devices we just want to

have everything same

it can it's a pain right i just someone you have what i think lots

of your people have like for three non devices and it's

quite a pain to get those saying but we should always remember that it's not

about the technology like it's not about on clouds not about can home and it's

not about what do you actually do that if you think it or if you

just have it online or whatnot but it's about people that we do it for

and what they what they expect like

if they use it if they don't use gnome if they don't use on clothing

that's why like the come online accounts approach so much is that it just into

it is able or it can potentially integrate anything like and it can integrate flicker

facebook will whatever because people use those services but we should also make it easy

and to integrate other services

and so like with without for instance we also make it possible to month you

will go drive to monitor drop box to plug in your i don't know what

it's just what people use that's important that should be important for us

thank you


i so i heard you mention briefly own collapse

no like how okay yes it's like step install on your own so that instance


just run right and out of the base system i think we could integrate

those guys specifically in into the online counts because it's a tricky thing right hunting

on let's ever it would be it would have

different capable right it would have different apps so

i'm the francisco calendar and contacts you have like colour and conduct of these exposed

protocols and working on a P R's for the specific that's like for the know

that for instance in the future there would be an A P I for bookmarks

should be an A P I for maps

and i feel like to expose the you adjacent data or something and so they're

like we need to we need to probably have something to convert better to have

a common format

well what you mean

but you are do you can check like which apps installed phones please and then

there is but like what's plan to be part of a colour right so you

can always expect to be here right so that you never know that's the that

something like the only thing you always knows that there's files so that there's matter

and that's the only thing that will ever or that is ever fully expect to

be there and but like i have said i guy i don't know exactly but

i think probably when you do like a count of requests on the server which

doesn't have counter enabled probably returns an error it's times like there is no counter

installed and i could imagine i don't know

but i could imagine

and how

wouldn't want the situation where you running against multiple instances alone about because assuming multiple

instance because we have one you know where well company we have while they're we

have one there a i want like no calendar to track the release date the

free states but i want my office cal that attract the office ones and i

certainly don't want my the disappointment in the ghetto calendar

and the serious that these arts trying to you if you open up loaded like

corporate files documents to the O is think how

do we want to solve the privacy issue

so you mean like i have two different i'm glad instances in the non online

accounts for example i don't know if that's possible does anyone know that well what


so earnest possible or so what you know what most is how should we solve

the privacy issues that come from that situation

because more things and moving to the cloud more things and moving their we using

a various levels of drop looks accounts on various companies it's a bit of pain

and yes to have voiced also drop offs and are running on four different use

cup accounts because you can't login

several drop box accounts is wants

but if you have separate components is like yes not a problem where you when

you be event in the calendar you can specify which calendar you want to

and i don't get sick people

make up to so all contacts and it doesn't accompanist but files for example

it sings all the files

it shows and it shows is a different but of resource

it doesn't mix them up or anything


if i can put this like that one

okay where was a right


i mean one thing for the

you want to the first one or the other one


okay anything

well i'm here

and so what managers okay take into help ensure the security of data is that

saying them always terrified of and big corporations you have like millions of dollars invested

sometimes still league lots of dater get so

if like and using on cloud on a gnome server how can i trusted

that's a good question actually do you trust and references

i know like corporations that likes to provide security to us and we have an

to so even but i was just okay so the thing is there is there

is an encryption have a in or for about i don't know the state of

it exactly and but there is like an effort to also have a host secure

so that you that you don't need to trust your poster to secure your data

the problem with that like we with or in our specific case without out with

for example end to end encryption is that you wouldn't be able to use the

web interface anymore which kind of makes the whole thing the mood point so there

you could just use like to perhaps you could even use it with box for


so that's a harder problem solved but we're working on it but it's like it's

super hard but we certainly care about that

does that answer your question

just one thing i don't like the lee was previously being offered most is like

a chrome extension and that's like firefox extension like will ever be possible for on

cloud to have offer like a browser side extension that would be of the like

transparently display things that would be encrypted don't know cloud servers

so like they come back to your clients and they are the crypt that there

overlap hard i'm not sure about that i'm not that much of a programmer tutor

to answer the question i think we i think it would certainly be possible

because like nearly everything is possible i guess but someone needs to do it that's

like always from

i think there's so maybe some of you know approvingly

if you questions

so i have a question

but this is

well the thing is that it has like if you compared that box right there

is a nice

notification when somebody and share the document or something with you a i don't associate

client that's written in katie as when they will be when you see a something

similar that integrates better make you know

i so i don't think we have the resources to like to a native G

T K implementation if that's what you're asking because like you typically vic frostbite from

thing that we chose because we can do it on windows and michael's and the

two people working on and are to T people so there's no i think there's

nobody currently working on like you that on a G T K implementation just because

like we just have to people and it's just on possible

but i also have like a

i have a last

slide come and say hi to us where all the code is also open source

gettable concert on cloud are see channel on content and on product design we also

have a design channel

you have enough

i really like and i is there any way you like i had exchanged count

there and easily in work out there's a will so we

so that's a big problem right now you can you can export calendars where you

can important like it's like

that's a problem i know but in it will be in the in about six

and the next severance

so this kind of an extension of wondrous question number to have a very

that i can see over files and i haven't talked to you guys maybe for

you that's true

are you thinking about having some kind of general data we are in the or

parent are do you know anything about that

i've i probably i could imagine that you have like we have so we are

trying to do would like in general ache if i remember correctly i think we

were trying to do like a general like generalise core api but i don't know

how for that goes so actually

not many ask use where am use files

like the calendar and contacts used a database and you could basically saying anything and

we were two we're trying to do like a proper api so and i think

it's deprecated so i think we're in the process of that

but you get like ideally you can you can ask on the mailing list or

and get have issues because they like are developers know more about me probably


a huge

i think a problem at this point you for

i think the

the best thing about i don't know this also probably so please you know

"'cause" i think it is achilles heel this that i simply this

and that's the fact that there is

there's no central this know there's a well hosting provider

so if you tell someone

i want to use and not out there is one way to do it you

immediately have to be making choices and information user experience perspective

and from kind of adoption perspective that's really hard and thinking about it from the

nine perspective like if we want to really push integration of be great to be

able to maybe even my setup

and i'm clout

account and you like first great you know what in initial sets of the something

for example

it's very hard to do that

when you're in the situation where there's always different providers by different companies and

you have the enterprise all that is that we do have i know stuff

but i think the only for users right like if you install gonna on then

you're not like you can't use product longer or for instance

the nist you one way so i like the original or like still the goal

of components like that everyone has their own instance so there would also be like


what it would also be cool to have like a one click install

but where does it install them it's is always kind of a problem like i

do you need to trust someone

you need to have a server where you need to have a friend a server

where you need to have an organisation or something

i definitely at that we think it's also problem also like from the from the

work of perspective like are just to find people there like we have to we

have to make sure it always works correctly with all these different server configurations and

it just makes everything harder but

as like on plot or of our own code that con we'll get it doesn't


and i was gonna come upon and what was it but on the other or

don't lot of comic we will not offer hosting like will not go into the

hosting business because we don't want people's data and there are other people who can

do that and with their companies and universities doing it and organisations

so to linux there exactly this like the one click you install on some five

and you can write a so you'd wanna do something similar probably them but it's

it's a lot of work if you wanna so set up for them but if

it but i think then that would be your call known like saying hey our

users can set it up and like when you hardcode like amazon on that would

be like a solution

that should be the and the people right

there isn't that's the problem there is not but i don't like actually get your

point i have the same problem like this back with open idea because there's like

only a website like a to is right and i which one

so perhaps extendible elmo saying in the question of the front like five or six

years ago like that this program groupon but i would like three years of doing

the client side of this


i think i'll in a few things

and i would it mean your slide in on the basis of what i learned

what on the signs not like think everything just sink everything on that because

you do i combinatorial explosion of services the people wanna support and in this you

can point is what of my at doesn't have the file format you support can

i converted to another thing a plug into a system i to guy


the danger of like a sink everything model is everything's a lot of things and

an impossible amount of work so


without wanting nine to get into the infrastructure providing purpose business of like untied instance

everyone like

what's the minimum amount of saying stuff that's useful that doesn't require us getting into

business okay but i mean saying everything doesn't go very far beyond as far as

data massive data goes younger actual data like all the install that's is just like

a can fix which right if you'd be surprised

okay but like

okay maybe i don't know

okay so it might make it easy for and think everything extracts on i think

about the direct lex and


so that i would advise everything else is

very light problem


there's also the possibility posting yourself on your own network and i think it would

be really interesting to have a small machine that you can just likes to get

an S D card that you just image for example and then it would be

nice if you would automatically to discover that's we don't than anything and then if

that would also somehow work with like U P N B or whatever and open

up ports on the far wall so you can access when you leave your house

can still extra data you don't have to worry about it being on you server

like on amazon or something at the N S A says hey we want to

get all your data you know then at least it's like within your control so

i mean you probably or nearly everyone knows about freedom box if you much projects

we words about having a server in your home like having actually all these services

physically as like on a plaque computer in a some plug and plug into the

internet and you can always access it from anywhere posting your own about essentially and

that's a good point because you all seven physically amendment there's like they wanna search

your data you know where it is you know that they need to get into

your house for instance and then there's actually people installing on cloud on rest very

high you need to optimize it's to make it work well and or unplug computers

like pull plug and so you can you can already do that so that's already


so you can post your own thing you can i mean you can even we

have a just a computer that is in your home anyway maybe even running twenty

four seven you can just install it on there and run it from there

back on the topic a how there's no one sent like you know

but you know

there are some sharing

and then it wouldn't address the first time set of issues but you have any

plans like of anyway you know

iterations thing where i could share between i would instances like i don't make about

yours might

what will address so definitely we have plans but that's also hard so currently you

cannot share between two hundred instances so we don't have like federation like diaspora for

instance we can follow different user accounts other that's definitely a consideration or like different

something want to do because then you can have your like now we can share

files so definitely that's a plan

so with

i guess all the ask that you end up producing and they're number popular sweets

of web apps already available store you have are concerned about redundant efforts or just

wasting like your own pro to because like than brand board of like a bunch

of like the

that we like nice to use or anything so that would be my answer mighty

i mean there are these things and like i mean the duplicated effort things often

something which is mention an open source but i think

it's also good that we have like multiple things and sometimes they're just outdated projects

and it's a it's like this behemoth of piece of software and no one actually

like or some people like to use a maybe but i think it's good to

just like start a new from time to time and to make something new something


so i totally get your point but i think it's good to just make a

new it was a newsreader for instance there has been time ten yards as

which i think i wanna

calling names or whatever but it like it doesn't look like that new right it

does look like feebly or whatever and i think with the companies that we did

a very good very simple newsreader at which looks very good it's very simple to


and it's

just starting from zero and we did something good

i think it's not switch on

okay also about and federation of any

are there any plans a for the is showing without to users without account say

i want to send a file to my

a friend

it's not very i think also well

have to on a on a account

and a it see that's we directed then locking page he will okay

so there is already a publicly feature so you can actually already do that like

you can you just say share publicly like it's publicly like it's really it's a

tokenized link you can also password protected actually so actually private so you can just

send that link to them and they're like if it's an image to get a

preview if it's a "'cause" the pulled or something we can download it on so

that's already possible

any more questions or

otherwise we can like just let's talk and that's let's try to a collaborate more

thanks again