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so i just want to introduce you your new board the boards transition

transition the couple of weeks ago but really there's an in person meeting all day

board meeting wanna quite before products are and the new and the old fort meade

and so really coming out of water "'cause" one then you board takes over

so we're going by alphabetical in the middle sort of photographing you has you watch

him

is a manual a busty known for

clutter

among other things

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i next is john read it

who is known

we're accessibility i

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there are her favourite colour you stevie deep purple

alphabetical last and

coming so

last same alphabetical order

i should have

yes i should mention that a many well a is us secretary of the organisation

again and then joanie is now vice president

alright

need to the for this year and taking on the very sought after position of

tries or

is it katerina

for a similar

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hua we contribute in many ways including documentation and

her hacker chickens

on the end is toby miller

who is this so it's a little cut off but is the superhero this would

interest you friends appeal recently and does tons of work with the membership many

and

we have are returning to the board and serving another year as president andreas nielsen

have you noticed that he really likes birds

new the more this year we have a long time contributor tick you know so

your am wrong krishna

i'll say no more

i

and also need this year to the board is marinas ratings guy who is known

for bringing a lot of austin you contributors signal

did somebody want this more

do you just want to keep seeing this

i was wondering how like for singing on the look that was this is a

it wanna be a little higher it's and i wanna stay at thank you it's

you see floppy and processor and also some we can so he's not here so

you gets parentheses for having served that you know in the past year or years

it's a it actually is a lot of work to be a board member and

i think i when you see them you should thank them

so i have a couple questions but let's just opened things up right away

go ahead and ask we dare you

what's with the total up to talk

who i remembered we decided that it should be the port bites back

no

that was not my suggestion i think actually was talents

more interesting in curing a i think it's inspire you to get the board to

pay back

can everybody hear that word where you know people talk without my

okay

it will be better

do we do we have another mike that's running or okay

so

so you guys have less like and i'll stand here we can all share so

who

well so that's a question

good morning the sue be in particular the full lost three uses so we are

the be all the saw still running slowly over jean the awards what else board

on you most you

to should course about that much

from the more from the marketing

okay you don't want me to answer that question because an on the marketing team

and i'm known for not being a marketing person

no i i'm

that that's why somebody on the market seen should actually and on the board should

actually answer the question

you know one meta

okay

okay so the question is what is a board for the past three years

the last year

you

okay well i can tell you well you know as i said in my talk

sorry

there when we attend anyway

i am so

for the last year i personally has had to do lot of the outreach within

can so lot of it is so as when

so it started from three point O on words

so let me let me step back when we did three point

we didn't have any average for

there was nothing

we had no infrastructure are anything like that to sort of

soften the shock right and

one of the things we've done is actually create that infrastructure so we had we

had a number things we did one I R C name space on free knows

consolidate underground so can is a that name space was

is under our control right so we can control the message and control the channels

are creators and reports like i hate you know more something like that

second we created the google plus pages that the facebook pages and be assigned people

to monitor them weekly community pages we had also

we have also created forums

so basically we created a presence the google plus especially has been pretty good because

when we first started there were no developers or anything like that so now what

we had is are these and google plus we have developers engage with users and

ask at answering questions people like florian have actually even written code that pose posing

on their answering people so

we we've gotten to the state where

defending gonna has become a lot easier in and

if you if you look on read it or anything like that when it when

it grown thread is there a usually used to be me a couple other people

subtitles all the bidders would jump at especially an L the view and we would

we will engage but now we have users coming up saying i don't know what

you guys talk about i like and very

so

that i is changing in terms of what people think of us we still have

a lot to do it's always a continual process

to making

converse with our with our users right so

so that's so i would say are situations improved a lot a and we have

infrastructure now to really

engage in our users especially with insect that forces when they don't terminal

thing came out i think we have about fairly well we post on google plus

we went be engaged in our read it where it happened it except that so

we it's been

it's been we were able to contain

when something happens

i would say i'm not on the fourth but i can see a lot of

the board actually over the last year the board was

was very proactive about assigning resources to help support marketing team which is helped a

lot the marketing team was able to have a how fast which helps you know

sort of distill some of the messaging that we want to get across from you

know and also is sort of helping with you know the resources and infrastructure to

encourage regular meetings of the marketing meeting the marketing many needs every other week by

phone and that really helps us be able to respond to some of us of

the P R issues so there's a lot of that there's also the foundation supports

travel for people to go to you don't to conferences which helps a lot and

also pacer might time which you know is also very helpful in some ways for

handling here and also as i was saying at the at the A G M

having are you know having our campaigns be ideological of that is different the campaigns

everything is different by the foundation board that has really helped a lot with P

R issues when we launched our privacy campaign and we had a lot of people

switch back to us and we got a lot of positive press so i think

the more things that we can do you that attract positive attention to ask the

better and at the borders in a good position to encourage those things and also

to divert resources in areas that they think are important

thing is we happen socially like produced product we've been trying to create they i

guess

we're trying looks like tried already you

it's not this week coming out of this conference so you know we've been always

the special been working extremely hard in communicating

what's going on like water and things like that through various press releases so we're

constantly trying to engage

that way by communicating more aspersions or so our has been on the forefront of

all about so

no problem for us in a lot of conversation it seems the your answer to

are we manage of the pure disasters

basically better damage control or and more difference i wonder if from

but i could see to other places first of all like maybe before the damage

happens if we're taking certain decisions that are going to cost lots of damage perhaps

if we could get an involved in a letter explaining that was to the community

why we're doing this

or even that take it a step further and maybe take some of the feedback

we're getting and change how you know functions so not just like dealing with damage

after the fact but you preventing and maybe even addressing some of the complaints instead

of

you like i mean it just in with actual action instead of just going into

damage control mode what D does anyone on the board think that the board has

a role in doing this

so i think that social media presents in part answers that because on particular google

plus but another channels like we so often repost some of the most interesting a

blog posts by we did contributors is that it builds excitement at over to features

and also gives a forum for discussion so i feel like a lot of the

people who are in fact you know the active users who are full in a

single button we also have a forum they're not just so you know it's not

just the can owns account but it's also a known for and so i think

our engagements there is also not just remedying

the situation but it's also engage in people where is a feel that they're part

of like known what's happening and can provide feedback early on

what marina and so it it's also true we are part of in terms of

trying to get out the message of what we're doing

sometimes we can only be reactive in some cases because

we don't have a single unified voice and we should what

we can have it and we shouldn't have a single unified voice that everybody in

the project goes through so sometimes stuff just happens

what we can do as not

as a board we can we can try to ask everyone to

be mindful of their

position in the project especially if there are like maintainers score maintainers or core contributors

to the platform or the entire

collection of projects a is gonna

be mindful of their position there that every time they

open their social media or are they open the block their logs to try to

post or something what they say is no

show us

what they think but also reflects on can is a project

so that is probably the most proactive thing we can do as a for ask

so everybody to be mindful of that we don't want to have

wouldn't want to

continuously go around chasing people for writing lot post like this is the last product

or

everything is gonna be sorry

staring into the abyss or something of that it's

it it's not that we don't want people to right

criticism of the project but

the has to be

constructive criticism well seventeen do you have a question on

i inside the microphone and i can i and i mean i think so the

flip side to that question and sort of what i'm hearing from rants question is

also what can we do to help improve better communication within the project you know

is sort of a you know i have a better public facing explanation sometimes when

decisions are taken in to make sure that kind of communication is there

how can we internalise some of the criticisms the receiving but i would sort of

say

so

okay so it's a minor thing but

i totally i totally got that but we are routinely criticised for example for removing

features without consideration for

and this is something that drives me

it's something that i see everywhere and i think it's

what

so where that comes from this is actually legacy right so when we what you

know want to go to we were early on project we didn't do any can

we are reach so when we were already going through that whole face problem first

eight releases of gonna to

we were moving features but we never told them the context so why we're doing

it

so

because nobody went in there and said publicly this is why we doing it

those miss continue to perpetuate so lot of people who are saying

you the removing features are actually people remembering

gonna to i that's my i believe that's exactly web because we didn't do any

committee management that time and i thought i know this because

even when we're going to gonna to that

you know twenty you know that you go on a on a on a social

me is site like slashdot it's a same stop the same criticism was happening continuously

on all of the i mean i'm one of those sites all the time and

even in those days you would never think that gonna was a number one

that's top even it and slashed at the case it was

this is costly set of negativity

sure

the nautilus is in this interesting case

i was just going to say that it's names to be more of a social

problem that's

actually members of a commute you do need to communicate more with each other and

maybe actually say what they're going to do before they do it

and that's something that each person needs to D on there and it's not something

that we can force them to be we can ask people to do it but

we can't force them because everyone's individual

i mean if you if there's a project you're specifically interested then maybe should actually

go and i can it

and then you have a sane what's how it goes

still have perhaps of the board feels that they should have a role and setting

the tone for the culture of the project are influencing

well we do represent the project because we've been very to then

so i have from that view we can at least set that in some way

but it's

all we can do i think is just ask people to

the else and each other

well not necessarily well i was

going to say slide is saying that we can mildly

like what would be a be amount rolled model maybe and by i don't know

communicating nicely also to the outside world

trying to set you know positive examples for

all follow project members

i don't think "'cause"

alright i don't think we can do a lot

well off precise all we can take precise actions i think

"'cause" we are but at least i see myself as

someone that directs resources

and makes i don't know

decisions not necessarily

hard technical decision decisions within the project but facilitates

that the project works

and

so i don't know i wouldn't i wouldn't see myself as someone that

goals

straight i don't know onto these

a social platforms and commuted to the users work on the problem facilitate

but we just make to do next

is that doesn't make sense

okay we heard okay so one of the thing i gotta cough to suck

okay so one of the things i think that is

to me it's actually very fascinating problem that can has is that i mean you

think about it were a bunch of individuals and a bunch of teens working pretty

at on the bus late and yet somehow when you think about it we managed

to pull off an entire

major product

on a perfectly well schedule you know six months every single

semester for lack of a better word basis in at the doing it for god

i don't even know how many years i've not been around you know since before

you know i was here since two thousand five but we've been historically doing that

were like a company

and yep of course for the complete opposite of the company and so it's the

outside world everyone is kind of looking at is at least in my mind i

mean not exactly like for apple or microsoft word is be model with the thank

and for not and still unanswered of rains of original question i think the board

does have an active role but it's at the same level as the marketing team

and is the design team and the accessibility meant a release team i think what

you know that every can we try to have a foundation meeting a few people

show up and then you know the border whoever posted it says and no one

comes maybe not exactly and open foundation meeting but maybe what all of the individual

teams need to do is have regular you know at least representatives like the board

beeps with the design team and is you know the police teams present excessively teams

present and we can all sit around and say you know what guys we're gonna

remove the speech or from models

and if that is the decision on that the people to make those decisions make

well then okay the marketing team i need to do something or maybe you know

we wanna have a discussion about okay well we can remove that for the geeks

really want it maybe there you know we need to discuss because if we give

the impression to the outside world despite the quality work that we produce that we

are at it's you know a monolith the creature that's we're gonna see that's we're

gonna be treated on slashdot

and that's are gonna be treated on right it and but functionally we all know

that we're not such a monologue

well in terms of structure and i'm use pretty the flat

so there is no it's a lot teams at the same so maybe we should

increase the height i think i once i'm sorry but it but just of quickly

followed what i'm actually saying the opposite but because we're because we are flat we

all or individual little units need to talk together a lot more and coordinate our

actions a lot more i think the board actually that i've actually responding to so

is to make the board actually does have the ability to make some changes and

this and i would just want to find out that it if you anybody any

audience anytime has any suggestions for concrete action support you take email the board it's

very easy to do and the board will consider all actions their email to it

i think that a point that hasn't been made here is that the board has

power to implemented a code of conduct or to change the code of conduct that

we have already and that's something that maybe the board could evaluate responsive

is this what are you going to do to make this happen

well since i only just now kind of been listening really thought about it when

i get back i guess this email the right down that i have an action

item to email all the other team's and say you know you all agree and

how often should we meet and where should we meet and what's are all gonna

get on the same page so we can coordinate what happens a lot better than

we are now training you think there are particular you know action items that should

be taken in these meetings but the board now

a trend says that you things chinese idea sounds wonderful

so i and i well that's not accurate were that i don't know board can

set the culture to be not too extreme to say that if we're gonna remove

features that's fine but we need to have a public discussion before we do that

so that it's not at least to the outside appearing like all of a sudden

pattern on from nautilus are all of a sudden compact used on from nautilus and

i know that there may be there may be some internal discussion going on within

the team but from the outside even it if you're not on the team it's

hard to it's hard to see that and it's hard to see that

and it just it makes it gives the appearance that people are just removing things

without a discussion

i mean do we do we all spy i wonder why sh should we also

have these countries when we add things right because that also cost the way

and i knew like i think like one thing there is like real helpful is

like winning it shorter probably and

such as this conference right

but also i mean does at least seven like if the release T right says

like unfortunately we cannot release that

then that is how it is right this a like this new version of this

application

cannot going to release

just possible

huh

but what i'm what i'm saying is that like to some extent D board also

exposes the house

cannot take the technical decisions right

that's bring them by los so it's kind of tricky not way

and i also can to think of like to keep things simple right so i

mean like

we had discussion that announced and uncertain may always right where people one other and

unlike it just exploded in

discussion right so we you i recall like the last one here the board had

to tell an individual to

please come down or he or she would be down from the list

so i guess that's that part of it but i also know that it's not

exactly what you're asking for

but we also need to be mindful of the fact that you know designed is

the committee doesn't work real great so well we could have those discussions we you

know we should be trusting people who are you know

do in the design or people who are do any release or people who are

doing the coding and you people who wants to participate in the discussions need to

be a lot more involved than just kinda like you know have an L long

form a but cool one some feature would as and

i just would like to add that i mean this whole discussion is going on

with the background that it's axiomatic that we going to and we're going to continue

german features and that in fact we have remove features

well i it's only in a lot i mean it's a new the last three

years that with right with great default suspend confided with for moving pages

and my opinion

and my opinion i mean i mean moving see things from controls in the territory

tall as norman features

so that if you look at the actual number of stings a we have removed

implement small and full of applications

the reach the stuff has been moved around so what i'm saying is like

can we stop talking about removing features and if we do okay

talking about in these terms but if we do

what's the longer product we trying to create where we can go back to the

original perhaps going more try we have the default a great

because

that's

that's version seems to be swamped you know why we have the destructible gravity them

or switches i mean

i don't think it's always been this way the composition

what trying to create a product that is straightforward to use

and we are into reading on what that might be

that's right

i really see that i truly believe that we have to stick with our design

vision but i think we

it's are role to communicate why we're making certain changes not only after people get

really upset or angry but like beforehand so this is gonna happen this is what's

coming and not just let people get really mad and upset and feel like they

have been neglected or not but nobody bought about them on so that then we

will say something then we're right up what most about it it's something is gonna

land we usually know it's gonna land i mean in advance

so i don't see any reason why we

we would not

have this conversation with the community before things happen so people can

started anyway there's a bit of the danger there because when you open up that

much you can really get bogged down by people who nitpick and i mean you

don't want to console have a discussion i mean is our project with is the

direction we're going when people complain there's a number of reasons behind why they complain

it's sort of strange just by the amount of people or complain is actually power

fairly small but

there are a lot and they're consistent

so

and yes and lot of don't use gonna because

they'll what i talk so this is comes from hours of conversations

with these people i mean this is and this is by engaging and then i

find out that it's been they were angry backing gonna to

and they left that and they can see to get over the fact that

that

over the fact that somehow

they've been betrayed

i mean a lot of people who are complaining

to be true but we only feel betrayed because nobody told you beforehand otherwise you

wouldn't feel bit they betrayed that's what i'm saying down from the last couple of

incidents that we have experienced i feel that people on com doll a lot after

the reasons where were exposed and that the russian all of our decisions what was

supposed on and they often filled more outraged by our lack of expulsion of those

reasons of those does motivations and then by the actual removal of the feature they

can of course take it's always gonna happen but if and i think people tend

to forget faster if them the reasons are proposed

so it's not always clear that the people using the group the people engage in

those are actually users a using or software

violating my on well i think you're right that there is there that does happen

but i think what ryan was asking was more specific and not for you know

not for the people more in using you know and i think that might be

on it was sort of addressing you know that very same issue and i wonder

is there something we can i mean i brought of the code of conduct because

that's something that the board has control over you know is there some way to

build in some kinds of procedures that require you know you some process of documentation

whatever some something is impacted

is it just me or is applicable we element materials to those to applaud doing

homework properly

because they actually like of them like blog quite a lot unlike upcoming changes right

and i think it would be helpful to see similar things from under P developers

so i agree like it's obviously good to get out i had of potentially controversial

decisions and to do kind of

engage with people one making those decisions

and

there's always a lot more but we could be during and we could always be

better

that's

you know this is a free software project

people come here to have

to do good work

to feel empowered to be able to do something

and we don't have the kind of resources

to do as much as we'd one i'd you know a custom get into this

to be public relations people

they get into the to them and i think we should and central design is

an owl documentation writers and everyone else

and i mean really need is more marketing resources so that we have like dedicated

P L people who when they see like the there's a potential situation bring they

can

gonna get the story and talk to people and do all the work that's necessary

i mean this is what happens in companies right this is how companies manage public

relations a lot discounts and the idea that

this is just some kind of marketing problem you know there are decision making processes

to consider as well but

and then when we have kind of hate marketing people phone i'm the situations like

this are gonna arise i mean the market it seemed that we have a

volunteers you know we have a limited amount of time we're not marketing professionals we

do what we can try to do that changing the name of the marketing to

do you know from passion are how are you to that is it is something

like that it sounds like a really stay

probably

i mean that's generally what the product management comes and in some shape or form

of the

the some kind of liaison person and generally that's the role that i try to

perform right like so i mean you know

i'll i will just you know issues as the coming up and i know the

right kind of the people who are working closely with design and development know about

but then the question is what do you do about that because you know i'd

i don't think

i think even if we did let the marketing team

no i'm not entirely sure that we have the capacity to do much about

well mean that's what we already do with like you know myself from the two

years and draw everyone else something

we know what's going on i mean the information is that

so

so what idea we could do is maybe work a little closer to release team

released team would know the set of features everything else and they could give us

a heads up

the release team has a very well defined like role in terms of not just

deciding also speeding release unless

the marketing that martin in paris and that's that

i think what needs to happen is

more people should follow their released

i mean marketing design everybody should follow there really is the

not be on the release think that's that would be kind of pointless but

they should follow mark do you think it this is the release things this magical

creature that lives in the forest and sometimes gets out of the forest and drops

a steaming pile packages for distributions to pick up and make like gold out of

it

i know that's why i'm not i

but D

them

it's not that mythical it's not it's a bunch of people actually running a bunch

of scripts

and fixing the issues that come up when building the collection projects days now

they are human beings and they do human beings stuff so people should just talk

to them

read what they you're right in there you males it's not a high elevation so

it's sometimes it's english is sent english as well so it should be read

right

and people should just follow there is a mainly space with public archives people can

actually follow what happens

so if you want to be involving the release the just

paul the release stole then on actually i think it's a get suggestion evaluated

just i think princeton same inspiration so i have to follow

in terms of

what do i have to read all the commit so for tweaked or left to

follow all the projects that i think might remove features

in future and it's only like six projects so just follow them nautilus the shame

a schema changes that ceilings demon controls in the in the mailing list of audio

and you could of although i do sometimes wonderfully secret I R C channels and

i'm not privy to that like it's not that much work

so we did we did have a notion of doing week we but that somebody

would do weekly reports of

what was going on various modules

that could be somebody wants to volunteer doing something like that would help a lot

for a lot of us we need somebody who can mangle those mangle those things

and maybe that's what we are can get volunteers for to do is to do

those reports

right

and i just i just is that what we hear is that we need more

people fill in and please don roles and i'm just thinking and matt allen for

years ago when we were both a now way to grant can area so you

know in four years you can be alan and have chance if you know sorry

if you start being a liaison between designers and marketing work between release team and

marketing and we need more people fill in those roles and wanting to

kinda you know is see what's going on and try to explain it we need

more people to communicate

we we've got a little bit far away from and now i've been trying to

ask a question for a while but something happened about ten minutes ago i was

talking about have the board has a role in setting the tone for the community

influencing the culture and two members of the board in front of a room full

of people basically said that people who criticise you know or you can use it

but that's i mean i heard it industry and you use sort of implicitly agree

that is a pretty radical interpretation of the subtext

and i think you're absolutely wrong

but this is what i heard i mean that suddenly how i took it and

i think this is an attitude that pervades can home and i think it's to

our hazard we too often dismiss are our detractors what i what i actually i

i'm gonna stop line for myself because i actually said something like that but i

said we should we should let people criticise number even inside and out

but they should be mindful of their if they're in the can project they should

be mindful that their words reflect on the overall project so it should be very

clear about

adding constructive criticism

okay so

i was going by people accurately wide-ranging okay so

do you are telling me well okay so

i had made a statement that lot of people who complain about gonna we're not

gonna music right i said that because

did a lot of times where i do i mean the people like am i

engage them on a one to one basis and the number of forms so this

is coming from an off the cuff remark this is

right now okay show it's there's that's now i'm sorry i just repeating the questions

you know like and then trying to thing that there are people who are complaining

who left now and who are users of them

you know like classical saying like i'm so and read you because i want your

rights and like i see you around doing but i still believe in thing we

have to get it right so i mean i mean like if you if you

are really happy then you are just indifferent right so actually the fusion abusive relationship

i don't want to phrase conversation all know in terms of that

alright that is definitely not smile my intent i really don't

so no

so

okay so there's a subtlety and that whole argument about whether other people have the

right to complain if they're not using a stopper

that that's not my intention i'm not i'm not saying that others cannot

complain about the project i take

when people criticise a take everything

i take everything seriously regardless whether there

from gonna we're not it's because everybody is a potential returnees do right so

i'm just saying that when we're addressing problems that need to keep in mind that

some of them

it was specific to what are the honour was saying in the sense that when

the air are boundary that and you're trying to have a conversation some of some

of the conversation gonna have a sort of noise

because there is a set that haven't forgotten as i said i was tucker better

and they are just doing to have no intention to come back or anything

but they cannot seem to get past

that part i and

there is a subset like that there's in fact there's a lot of reasons why

people dislike you know there's

from a variety of reasons

there's a class of people who dislike

you know because it's trying to be popular

and it is just set of people who like

having their own niche os

and they want

you keep it

for themselves

in the same vein they don't like princes more women joining

the movement in the same sort of thing it's their necks

this is what i've gleaned from

having conversations with people like that

it's sort of

there's a certain psychosis and some of these

so i'm not

i know i guess i can sorta i usually can tell what's valid

criticisms and what is not

which is one what is noise to some extent

just because i've been doing it for

three years

three four years

so i do that personally because i know i am

so when i'm when i'm when i'm out there doing it

then things i say is said in a way that

gives the impression they don't doesn't care

whether

unless you're user and i mean

the words are not set that way

so the moment project all out here and the a been going to go out

of for ten years

and

i also use gnome by the time we had a F T P client embedded

in the panel

we had to shell embedded in the panel i'm still hating you all removing my

favourite feature all time by the way i'm not going to tell you want to

also but you remove it

but the back and that i we look around and had a pretty clear vision

statement for the know what like gnome application walls what was supposed to do in

the form of the egg

in the two point though there is it was pretty much the guiding

document of the whole project

what is can and then we got the three point though and we have a

to have that interface that suppose to work and touchscreens that's supposed to is remove

all the features and all the work on the three D graphics and so on

and we are

why do you why do you think i'm not mention to here

but what i'm what i mean here is that

we lost our mission statement

we lost the guiding light that others see what are we trying to do

i think ambitions chinese pretty damned clear we should make an operating system or an

environment that is

that i full to use a joy to use for the uses and it's free

and it's open source

and it's

and

it's a great user experience that is the mission has always been the mission i

mean even gonna one point four we didn't make a project to

make it so hard any possible to users to use their computers because we need

people use

and we like to impose misery on the people that use hours i'm some anything

their hand thing

right

so i from what i understand from various from various comments for the vice people

there is that communication problem and there is a lot of a single person that

could coordinate various teams

and you could in not impose but probably set a direction in the vision so

should we allocate okay and we allocate some resources in the form of an office

L C your normal or something like that

god

sorry

project leader yes

i don't i know i vote we bring chapel back and we have in like

in the what we could ask mark

i mean is already doing that for we can ask mark for the

sorry

but

what should we nominate somebody days the sell well not the self appointed that

foundation appointed a benevolent dictator for life of them

what would that was said that

who had the guts to say that i

you do

i you don't wanna be or that a really don't

no i think that's not great idea at all i think

it's

it's good that we have various teams that are in bold in their specific areas

they need to get better talking each other

that's true

but that's it we shouldn't have one person that gives

okay so i i've been wanting to say a couple of things but the last

question

is related to one of things i wanted to say and it was you go

of there is but it what we have in this is what i was saying

that lance right we have a communication problem namely we are communicating amongst ourselves someone

was saying i think was owl and that you know we are professional P R

people but man i what can at our marketing team and they write a pretty

darn professional and if we actually keep down in the loop and if we have

to keep to police team i don't out alex to the really steamy the know

about model is removing that feature mister can your

so was that paid attention my question is that the release so i in the

do some of the discussion was the release team you know

if it the implication that a new say about the nautilus removal did you guys

even know about that

but well these figuring out the mic thank the other thing i wanted to

point to point out to respond to i think i think it was probably on

a set it but

you know i mean something that i've been thinking about for awhile like them really

been thinking about it is i'm sitting here it's like okay so this happened maybe

after can online this definitely happened after can own to

what we learned from that why do you can be number three this happened you

know it's like

it's we just keeps repeating itself so the next time we're gonna do you know

when they don't for comes out this bloody well better not happen because we have

been here you know it's like groundhog day that movie groundhog day when you wake

up of thirty days the same stupid thing if we start all communicating now

we all keep all of us in the loop

and we can all be proactive instead of reactive would be known for comes out

this crap isn't gonna happen and if it does well that we learned from that

and we're ready for you know five

but about that you dream some of the questions that about the least ensure that

others to but you something like that is every from that is i mean well

the reason we are having these specific questions is because last year the wrist in

where the one who will i be here

because an us some other people mention

some people feel that the wrist is do more that they are doing right now

but that's my only saying that so you use estranged analogy i is better you

that i would like to see that there is can easily i tool i mean

use yes like a smart well i will i would like to think that this

has my will be messing i mean they hire

the what they

do is just basically compile all you know messed up

for example so there are a few to propose are period release teen doesn't aside

i mean we are going to take these and these teachers is not like that

if you to proposal i've sent to the best of better on the people talk

and the release team stays on the meeting okay people say that it makes that

there were a we should include

based on this feature or medium used

being a benevolent at all the raw and be sure that the tutors way on

them being people but we happy can people not the goals because we have a

power we happy can be put because those people propose feature and the community approved

that so in that sense i thought i read only that probably which try to

learn something from the past

and

i think that and sees use something that you don't to you know three i

think that the people have the feeling that

listing half a lot of power because of these where am and don't gonna stumble

the wrist in west estate apropos thing you know three saying but in the end

they just proposal that and they committed i with that but i'm saying is that

wasting reason out at this is you on

and decision team is just to ask

i'm not talking about my opinion and my for something and i have we is

and then i that in the end it would be about the idea to having

a real all the role

saying we still do that because in the end i mean we are talking about

is our on the power decision these at that mine ten of time so i

mean we have it would be something strange to say to them and then it

just two that are used to that i think

so

we have or whatever

so we're as to what alan said before that you know we just here too

hard i don't know i mean when i wanted to fix my first part i

needed to learn about called guidelines and do presentation and you will see that and

i mean the fact that we're now

professional P R people doesn't mean though we don't we shouldn't have better it right

so i just for sort of do know each group's blue

well

for

but that's so far from each other

you just don't

in response to a one i mean i know what you're saying but it's not

you and you and you and you when you it's we you and i think

that's at the team level there's not like this thousands of teams and you know

if the teams at the team level start talking i think will make some progress

i sat suggestion and that mike are buying fee to highlight be communicators and to

actually draw attention to the people who are and you were trying to help and

in this area and i think that's a good suggestion

does anybody want to move on to another question i think we've talked about this

one or has a completely different point to make

O C R

i've been making not making a vision for your so it's probably want to or

just projects that still a lot of

i don't think you know more do needs you know technical polishing it'll barely scheme

or by you know someone policy at all it's it has to be the main

thing this thing zero we have had features

it's probably not the maintenance what that it don't know how it works but it

works because there are some still know some people around the world are using it

so before you little a feature i think it's the maintainers rolled to take at

that's been used are not you know your body about so coming from you know

how you know the you sell this and all those things i think it should

be more based on that to take into addition i don't think about it or

any other of policing from it at the least team auditorily any other team that

so we should work and

if F features been the writing it should be centralised to that more than instructing

you know a you know be known to the as a whole thing you know

that so i really see this

anyway

just

how are our meeting

i was waiting for that ten any i

okay

thanks everybody for caring some i don't to stick around and i don't know no

i just wanted to make a comment because i'm a naughty so that he thinks

our mission statement is pretty clear and i think it's

i don't think it is i think we have a very i mean saying we

are providing a great experience for everyone is a very good draft and it gets

of an overview of what we're trying to do but saying a great experience for

users which users what users that it's pretty nice to say that we can please

everybody in the world with one single experience so we cannot so we're definitely focusing

in a certain kind of person and we might as well figured it's all together

and great experiences a very broad term

we experience for want grey experience how and which way so i think there's a

lot of gaps we need to fill and we have a as a basis but

i mean i guess there's a lot gaps we need to fill it in needs

to be needs to be

okay

there is a lot of things to define in that particular mission statement

it's

a mission statement should not be three pages long to detail word you are users

are or who they are not or how the experience should be the life for

a how it should not be delightful a

i think

abroad mission statement is fine and as to be chiselled down on very specifically with

the L for the marketing team or the average or whatever goals bowl by likeable

and the release team and everybody else that works on them at a higher level

than just a single mould you month and then as to be

handled by each and every month in are in some way

so that's important

but

the mission statement can be attacked

that it we're gonna use this to fill the gaps how many people here were

dissipate in a foundation sorry stingray meeting to discuss this further

i would

okay let's get this only the next piracy meeting of the foundation

i think we should probably wrap this up and make sure that we have plenty

of worms going on throughout the year to discuss this should be only a lot

of thing i mean we've got such a passion involved me i do you wanna

and i that you know i want and on a slightly different note the board

i mean every other week which i've been involved in as you guys know a

lot of nonprofit organisations

this is the only one i know that is like this where the board wants

to meet so often most boards that i've been involved with me like quarterly at

most

so every other week isn't seen it's a lot of work and so i just

want to ask quickly in like one sentence or last what is it about can

on that makes you think that it's worth serving on the board to meet every

other weekend to you know be have to answer for the project in general

select start at the centre this and

the pressure community

also the community

a little you go so it's one

now i feel like i need us shorts nor keep it these thing and i

don't have wanted to be brief

crying out

i'm way past a

B equal access to software information for everybody all over the world

community no

it's worth it

so them so who is the question videos

i a

i have you can pretend of the organisation now you're in for and second term

why do you spend your time doing it

well so

so

i'm not i'm not sure it's gonna be very inspirational a sprays or something but

you know like somebody needs to do it writes

someone needs to do i see

there are so many other people that do like a lot of really hardcore development

but someone needs to do like to boring meetings but a phone meetings to but

like long that

hi so for me it is the high standards and the friendly communities that i'm

proud to like introduce new people to and you know that we build in something

that can reach a lot of people

thank you are we should have these conversations all the time

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you wasn't here today that they should join the nist meeting about keep doing it

thank you so much for coming