0:00:10i know might to is about
0:00:17but writing a duplicate three tutorial
0:00:21more specifically i did you can three tutorial for by then
0:00:26please look at this is like a starting because it's not at the but i
0:00:31think it had ideas that can be used it in a lot about that
0:00:43it's okay
0:00:45do you know use one year ago i was you
0:00:52i want to select
0:00:54i wanted to learn
0:00:57i nearly five so i said okay let's start with iphone
0:01:04years ago the situation with this
0:01:08that was the G T K three reference manuel but see
0:01:13what longer a lot of
0:01:16methods for each we just
0:01:19and that's you some knowledge i wasn't there
0:01:24that way many tutorials for G T K if i can which is okay to
0:01:29update that anyway everywhere
0:01:33that was a digit again reject python tutorial by sebastian those the
0:01:39very well done know will though at the time it was not complete a
0:01:45and we was not them don't or again i think that's
0:01:49bit of a problem
0:01:51there where video tutorials
0:01:54but i think that's a video tutorial is a bit hard to follow you have
0:02:01so you have a what your bit of the tutorial
0:02:05try to rip and here's what what's done in the tutorial see words
0:02:10then go back to the video
0:02:14try to reproduce the next step and so on so
0:02:18i don't think they are taught
0:02:23i know that or on the develop we don't know we don't like that where
0:02:27the ten minutes tutorials for examples
0:02:30like image of you where
0:02:32but if you are a complete beginner
0:02:37me too much i think
0:02:41so here comes my project for be the oblivious must
0:02:47first of all find a nice mentor non financial all ski very nice
0:02:53set up one
0:02:55it was already there so
0:02:58so far so good
0:03:00follow the plan
0:03:02you know exactly have planned but
0:03:05we will see that
0:03:09be something it doesn't do much mention as
0:03:15i was young and foolish
0:03:19but i don't know
0:03:21it was something hobble
0:03:25want to or you
0:03:28know about or so
0:03:31you want to contribute you know you go to you know go to work and
0:03:36you find
0:03:40one tutorial
0:03:44cakes all that's good you know or you thought this is a toyota where there
0:03:51and makes them vector
0:03:54sorry that's been nice
0:03:58what happened
0:04:02theory it one practise it there
0:04:05we change your plan what it worked so here's this way
0:04:10first one
0:04:12which was the planned a or there and it was followed until
0:04:17last year
0:04:20a collection of pages
0:04:23organise using plus harder to
0:04:28for each we just
0:04:30one page a
0:04:32sometimes a couple for the more tricky we just like
0:04:36three new
0:04:38or a combo box
0:04:40but generally when we just one page one page one we just
0:04:47and each page
0:04:48had a picture of the well so nice
0:04:52break description of the we'd what that we just
0:04:56the code that's used for writing big so
0:05:02some useful methods
0:05:05not all the method so
0:05:07because it would be too long
0:05:13an experienced programmer would have found it
0:05:17maybe a bit too easy but
0:05:20most important
0:05:22and that's a little bit easier would have finally too hard
0:05:27collection of pages there's we don't spend i hello
0:05:32put together
0:05:34so i think you know things okay i'll start with the window
0:05:38that's good
0:05:40i see now i live near here let's try that one i
0:05:45they don't even they didn't even know how to
0:05:48i did a whole an image so that we know that the there basically not
0:05:54not good
0:05:56second one
0:05:59the ways to move through the material
0:06:04this is an expert
0:06:06and it he moves through the material
0:06:12as he or she wants
0:06:15again collection of
0:06:17classifier you're an expert
0:06:20you know what you want you but there
0:06:24this is not a dinner
0:06:27i would be have a progressive pages
0:06:31you start with that we know that and you move dramatic knee much but we
0:06:35know i'd you know able to the we know
0:06:44also that like two types of pages
0:06:46the we just pages
0:06:48as before and it's on here pages
0:06:51for instance what you want to
0:06:54to at the bottom and what be john is
0:06:58i recap on the ideas of signal thing callbacks
0:07:05would like
0:07:07you do it before
0:07:10this was the progression pages more or less production windows
0:07:17images the labels
0:07:20we don't scrolling because they don much program with its buttons
0:07:28start a sparse thinner
0:07:31and we just search everything trade
0:07:35but that's you
0:07:37menus dialogues menus
0:07:41we using late as much as possible
0:07:44so the lectures
0:07:46model view controller declines com about sent excuse
0:07:50i do you and finally custom we just
0:07:56easy and hard
0:08:01if you're an expert
0:08:03having show off the
0:08:07useful method
0:08:13the few
0:08:15and you don't need the
0:08:18you very pages
0:08:21but if you are a beginner i guess
0:08:24you have
0:08:27the image of the
0:08:31of the we just
0:08:33okay that's what it is
0:08:35a description of what it
0:08:38and that this well
0:08:42in which you crash
0:08:46called for example was
0:08:48commented had
0:08:53more or less it was one line of code and before that
0:08:57what the line was a going to do
0:09:02this was
0:09:04in theory a good
0:09:09for the newcomer but
0:09:13okay you have a window the code is not much
0:09:19you have a three you
0:09:22but if you have a quick for tree view
0:09:26still i'll you kinda lost
0:09:33from here it is
0:09:36this one was started in brno
0:09:39this year so it's you
0:09:45there are how to wise for super experts they are first see
0:09:52your super export usually know see
0:09:55and the idea is the
0:09:59you already know
0:10:03F almost everything but you have heard of this new technology this new thing you
0:10:08want to know a bit more
0:10:10you got there
0:10:12there's was there are snippets of code not much
0:10:16and you learn something
0:10:21here right over tea
0:10:24it will use the man behind this
0:10:28then for
0:10:30sport right so
0:10:31but that's you have you have you have a sky
0:10:36like for twelve
0:10:39work hard people
0:10:43but i mean it's that or else
0:10:49we how but i would postpone the were on the be used tutorials
0:10:56i don't concentrating on know what i think is
0:11:01the most important thing
0:11:06or you for
0:11:11again a progression of pages
0:11:14year harder
0:11:18more your pages done before
0:11:24not don't give most anything for correcting
0:11:31but we just pages
0:11:37what do i mean we about your which page let's see
0:11:42a picture for example
0:11:46and that
0:11:48what the we just us
0:11:52this is things are very important if you are you are
0:11:59okay you know what do we know we use
0:12:02but do you know the difference when you start
0:12:04did you know the difference between a radio button
0:12:13talk about
0:12:15i didn't
0:12:17i didn't
0:12:19so you have to explain very well
0:12:22then and this is supportive maybe
0:12:26asked that by step the idea all writing of the called projects
0:12:32no more cool don't
0:12:36you start with we are going to do this
0:12:41i had some thing
0:12:45this is more or less what the
0:12:48vts it
0:12:52but we are doing it
0:12:54not only but a
0:12:57but on a page
0:12:59so you can were good
0:13:02you can switch back and forth well but you don't have the passage of
0:13:06stopping the video you can go through it
0:13:09actual base i think is
0:13:13useful method again
0:13:16all that useful method your big you know you don't want to
0:13:20your over help by
0:13:23all the methods for come
0:13:29very useful
0:13:33very boring to write
0:13:35but so useful
0:13:42so how much is done
0:13:46not much story
0:13:53being done is
0:13:57for the general get station
0:14:01how this is the company show
0:14:07if you want to do
0:14:10and this is
0:14:11like that the beginning rested or you know
0:14:18so what
0:14:22javascript tutorial at this that
0:14:28the by when i know the why
0:14:31are there because it it's what i worked
0:14:35but this can be generalised
0:14:41i for the one better it's taken care of that
0:14:45and i think we should work you need to because
0:14:51your but there again
0:14:54you know
0:14:55by that and javascript
0:14:57but you're not an expert
0:15:00it not there
0:15:07you read a bit of the by then
0:15:10page on a bit of the javascript enjoy combining them together you understand it matter
0:15:19same for see
0:15:21if there are any volunteers for this
0:15:28thank you for libraries
0:15:31suggested for priorities are very well
0:15:41what else
0:15:42what all those are
0:15:45one race
0:15:47for the future for the distant future so
0:15:51first i would like to have
0:15:54something more concrete but
0:15:56there are something fish
0:15:59they're active
0:16:02court academy style
0:16:07what would like
0:16:15what are we going to what the this
0:16:18about or don't know not all of course
0:16:24so help as well i think that would be a good idea
0:16:29your newcomer keep on saying this
0:16:33this is the whole point to
0:16:37developer don't know don't or
0:16:40the value for new
0:16:43now that's something for the it guys
0:16:48you want to start i want to learn but
0:16:51not of a very
0:16:57a link in the hell for
0:17:01states that is saying
0:17:04would you like to contribute would like to
0:17:07do so
0:17:10the only to developer don't like it
0:17:14but something that put fifty
0:17:17it's a good idea
0:17:23we think i'm sorry
0:17:26it comfy and
0:17:29thank you very much
0:17:38i questions
0:17:51so which is it different to tool for point in jobs people she
0:17:56okay going to be like lurched the same steps of doing the same page or
0:18:01you don't like different we just we just
0:18:05norman but
0:18:07i think that we should a heap the beaches
0:18:12i think that are possible
0:18:15but of course it it's not possible
0:18:19happy that that's because of the differences between the which is
0:18:24so same example
0:18:27would be a good idea
0:18:31of course the pathogen the that by that but will be at a different and
0:18:37rewarded the if you have different features for each tutorial well for each other which
0:18:44make it the synchronise so
0:18:47i'm going to work in that other side we are in the first that's but
0:18:52yes we talk with my about
0:19:08how we are present that tutorials wait for example and it's a time and a
0:19:14lot of the way that google organise it api references where you can say
0:19:21between different languages i think i saw he that he out that way makes sense
0:19:27to keep the pages that right as smart as say that that's a that's
0:19:34i'm just looking or on the truth put enormous the be useful
0:19:40for the little bit i don't again you that would use but i would just
0:19:45go to the put a maybe looking the there's a need to book so
0:19:54so there is to do it know of the of the list of all possible
0:19:58but we could which is this problem with all the paper you and bruce for
0:20:04two weeks
0:20:14then maybe we should promote
0:20:16they want to use it
0:20:32i have are also talk
0:20:36the idea of having developer that's it
0:20:48well what we have use is to having the accessible
0:20:54in some cases would be a really good idea we fix all those in languages
0:20:58cheesecake the tree you folks so who
0:21:09the you look to the company has there been and it looks well actually printed
0:21:16up with them
0:21:17no it as i said it
0:21:20but future in the future
0:21:23i would like to have a
0:21:30first that and then maybe change a that
0:21:34and it's a something
0:21:36but if somebody wants to
0:21:39do that
0:21:42you should allow them
0:21:45but i think that is that it's
0:21:50it would
0:21:52that or analogies from what we need now
0:22:02what what's your opinion on the topic having
0:22:05you know like gamer some application that's very but it's really working but then it's
0:22:10very easy to start a small things about it like of this was in the
0:22:15tips you know on the second day for getting kids interested in programming by giving
0:22:20them but up that they can
0:22:22we maybe we could have something like this with you know what form like something
0:22:27sort of like the show an application that could be justly customise or extend do
0:22:31than a lot of ways you think that this is interesting you use i think
0:22:35would be interesting
0:22:37i think this would fall and the
0:22:41i mean that's just toying L
0:22:44part to
0:22:53alright you know some theory
0:22:56and then you go back to that maybe know to
0:23:01it would be
0:23:02i mean
0:23:04and don't and thinking about this now how that
0:23:11this to be a good idea
0:23:13i think
0:23:18maybe it's just the way how you know
0:23:23i think that
0:23:27you usually start with that
0:23:32theory X out of course not just a theory
0:23:37and then
0:23:38you build something
0:23:41so it would be a good idea
0:23:44we know
0:23:48so the game a example to where you know whatever
0:23:57with the
0:23:59specify the program is it so you have to be at least here in the
0:24:08the game you say six plus five class of people dies for at this age
0:24:15for what yes
0:24:18okay this could also be a challenger
0:24:23you don't have you haven't done or the tutorial the basics just or and you
0:24:30doing the
0:24:32okay you suggested without see so
0:24:38you push yourself if you don't know
0:24:42something you go back to the just you know
0:24:46yes i think so
0:24:49you can more than the
0:24:51i mean at the thought you know i mean or combined with and minutes tutorial
0:25:11i think that
0:25:16one of things that
0:25:20happened in the last year was the translators that these you saying cold that kurt
0:25:28that basically get it's the lay or G Q W I file and renders it
0:25:34on and but page using the probably back and for G T K
0:25:40and why things that could be useful to do would be to
0:25:45i that
0:25:48to do you like cold academy style but not really
0:25:51so you can basically just see that you why then you're preaching and having stuff
0:25:57and maybe using javascript to connect a signal send induced
0:26:01so that could be an interesting way to centralise the stuff without going for court
0:26:09yes it in the back so because
0:26:11that that's one
0:26:12and i think is something like mission the small examples and then we this to
0:26:18do stuff and
0:26:21a story
0:26:24for get it like topics like jic a tree view
0:26:28assuming we don't really inside you to get so soon
0:26:34i think a those are will be complex to actually handle so
0:26:40i don't know if we should just have like
0:26:43small that orioles for those kind of thing
0:26:52it interesting idea for that you could you could you example would be to do
0:26:57all the you obnoxious annoying work you have to do to get one up running
0:27:02but leave the functions that provide the actual data and the and the connected like
0:27:06is that all that
0:27:07and in doing so forces you to go in there and see how that's all
0:27:10set up and then like you can you can you can copy this that and
0:27:13other programs or use that as a basis for thirteen euros
0:27:31i think that
0:27:37actually i
0:27:40combine like i think
0:27:45we can get somewhere
0:27:51okay i have one question i'm working and using known for like ten years
0:28:00and the biggest problem always something documentation not for usual hackers like because crackers usually
0:28:09find things when they have to
0:28:11but the tutorial is always have been a big problem for us
0:28:18i see i kind of i cannot agree with all ideas you have
0:28:24finally gets into because it's not easy just that's what i wanted to ask is
0:28:29that is that very concrete time plan all this because you know always these documentation
0:28:37ideas there floating around
0:28:40it would be very good to have something first for some like to be complete
0:28:46and then thing how to improve it's because it's usually well we this cost is
0:28:53only called ideas people are reading people also think me hope to do this in
0:28:58G T K or that's and i say i just to do and just go
0:29:02with the mass
0:29:03and in the and then ask that all to the number hard course from channel
0:29:10in it's team but so is there any one yes so that's or something which
0:29:19is that
0:29:21the second line that that's complete that was done now
0:29:29that was done X
0:29:32in a
0:29:34but where last year so it's not a today to but because no project yes
0:29:40okay and
0:29:44custom widget was that it more recently and
0:29:49i don't think it's a great they but at least it's something
0:29:54but for the rest that it was done do over
0:30:03that well that all i can you get a the U R L later i
0:30:11don't remember it might hard to but maybe you at the idea would be but
0:30:17you should be able to honestly because it's like no one actually knows that it's
0:30:20finished and so everyone votes
0:30:24sparse knowledge at that a one more thing us something like that can laugh are
0:30:32between the first and the second line that is already there for
0:30:38jobless create a lot and see
0:30:43maybe slightly for warren
0:30:46but it's already there for those languages as well okay
0:30:55and questions more than that's
0:31:00what i second
0:31:03well you have
0:31:05it's not question is just a i you because well some people english on the
0:31:12well maybe chinese to english just is not of the first thing which so instead
0:31:18and any idealist well by a mm more see how it is
0:31:25or call i will call a compound mean so when they come to decide they
0:31:31can they can name something about is like you well what we did get a
0:31:36one page and they passed these a disco and they will get some package i
0:31:42think that will push a some if you people to then and the second one
0:31:46of these when you log into the for example call that mean then we show
0:31:51they will show the chinese i think that is very important and the website they
0:31:57have a profile to tattle and we can have a payphone to translate the description
0:32:03to the czech you don't run is all of our regulation a show i think
0:32:07that might be good for the beginner so i think maybe sometimes the is not
0:32:14difficult to start to write some call and then cellphone the G D K i
0:32:20think maybe for some students how to
0:32:24to see the whole the total disk option to do an editorial you know we
0:32:30try to use the will go ahead now to help us that started out of
0:32:35the real we stuff be keener so you know the focus you start of real
0:32:40okay they can just focus and or where the might be twenty meetings or well
0:32:48more we have infrastructure for all of these be translated which is translated actually okay
0:32:56so there's also this oil package which okay that virtually anywhere actually
0:33:08is it any that the base you know
0:33:12that there is the paying as you have a pen what they call the old
0:33:17and they case so when you freeze on some scale they will give it back
0:33:22to prove you have the sound scale like that we the variational we can a
0:33:29thing like that this is actually a
0:33:35because i think i love my we have we asia because if you have batch
0:33:40of the school we'll we can manage you have then you have and then some
0:33:45see so you don't need to then and not assumption in school so O D
0:33:50C and i think we to assess it was things you know that we do
0:33:54university student in taiwan and meant to some service but the server that are we
0:33:59what the what we only select in the school
0:34:03no do something clean the school so we saw seven for you to make it
0:34:08a place for all the while change light always sauce people far
0:34:14and to repress only you have to something going to school so if we have
0:34:19a page something like that so we can we can tell the priest for make
0:34:25and then some and something of good we still opens also least thirty K and
0:34:31to reprise to something sort of these things school back to me
0:34:36i see like a good idea one thing a well with the dog the internationalisation
0:34:42team on tuesday morning projects joins you
0:34:52us for suggestions very of focus by us for suggestions a very focus
0:34:59i would suggest rather not very so focus which is like everything other than G
0:35:05T K i think the docks team in the past has gotten into trouble trying
0:35:09to cover too many bits that used to require everything because you really need to
0:35:14have like that one thing and go with the and i think that things should
0:35:17obviously did you okay
0:35:23i would the
0:35:28hundred okay
0:35:29and maybe a worth
0:35:35for that people working on
0:35:40thing that
0:35:44if we where
0:35:45one whole
0:35:47like put a light where which the load but
0:35:55one time
0:36:06the up here
0:36:09there's a couple of our is that are not quite related to the G T
0:36:14K thing that i think should mention a better than in that role you know
0:36:19i was looking previously a couple of them or how should you lay out your
0:36:25program what folders should have where she's alive risky
0:36:29what fine is truly using you should have the
0:36:34it quick introduction of the in by from this up to support how you packaging
0:36:40and that's the main code should be an only close the library and all those
0:36:44things because
0:36:47how a lot of confusion especially when you just showing snippets on the code page
0:36:52of people the cup of them or place and straight document running is and they
0:36:57would have a complete mess that they can never disputed and one
0:37:01many of those things
0:37:05trying to put a bin do maintain owns translations
0:37:11and of things
0:37:14all those things all the media and that
0:37:18also needs to be told only
0:37:22i mean the still know you got all sitting up at C based program of
0:37:28what will use files to be by
0:37:31how should we can figure out of no you just copied from get it
0:37:36because that's additional way of doing things
0:37:45thinking about a way to
0:37:51around it
0:37:55very real problem
0:37:58okay i'm really introduction
0:38:01to that
0:38:02to tori out
0:38:06and of it like that and that the people that are looking for the think
0:38:09that have but we don't land on that
0:38:12page without going through the auditory out so maybe
0:38:16i know i need to say this is a part project or an see internet
0:38:23okay thank
0:38:27i don't know i about it i think it
0:38:33i think that quite nicely into the idea of having a preformed application the this
0:38:40design to be are done because then have these you're starting out with a fully
0:38:44worked out of tools from something that nominally hopefully was designed to be a good
0:38:50starting point for your project rather than just taking some random project and copying whatever
0:38:54they have i think that might be apartments are and another thing is that i
0:38:58don't know if you know but and you know will you go in and start
0:39:01a new project girls that out a bunch of other tools you already
0:39:05the mean will talk about them in the tutorial will be powerful
0:39:12so that should be do that but on the way as well
0:39:16the symbol small things and i think it's a page that should be a break
0:39:23to all the application this is how we should be looking at be something nice
0:39:28small yours
0:39:30so you should do this
0:39:32why we do this in the do this world
0:39:41that's the whole point of the stuff like that
0:39:51it is in the
0:39:54interesting be done a with the
0:39:59on the
0:40:01whole on that went out
0:40:04when we used to have a
0:40:07if you look now to the
0:40:10to the for that we have now
0:40:15of the story our the one with the world school the day talked about
0:40:21this was achieved or trying to share with the
0:40:25one line that of comment and that
0:40:29what we are doing commented
0:40:31how we are doing what we are going to do this is that we do
0:40:35and so on
0:40:37but now but being transformed into the that like that
0:40:43better rhythm your
0:40:51i was interested in asking you i know a just reading that minutes from that
0:40:56from the board meetings i see mention of the board having contacted open about and
0:41:03doing a beginner's workshops and things like that and i know that for the open
0:41:08hatch workshops they do interactive coding you know they use coding
0:41:14and so i was wondering if and we were meant you were mentioning court academy
0:41:18we do you think it might you good idea to see what the do you
0:41:23know what the board was talking to know and also and i'm sorry maybe like
0:41:29something together that i think that
0:41:32and i was mentioning for that how then you
0:41:36because it was our the first example but okay and i know i know everyone
0:41:40know that we also very famous but i think that open heart is also very
0:41:45interesting it's a very good the project so
0:41:53i will
0:41:54i will ask members of the board
0:42:00why the about that
0:42:13the students
0:42:19my question is
0:42:21you have any plans
0:42:22to have an academic course material or no problem
0:42:28no not now
0:42:36well let me answer that question was a don't please some academic stuff basically the
0:42:43problem is that no problem in is a very a rapidly changing topic as it
0:42:50is just so i'm not academic an awful it's a not something that is do
0:42:55not an awful that the last long
0:43:05actually i
0:43:07like that with have like that
0:43:11my way of learning
0:43:15what thirty at the end of the exercise a little leery vendor the exercise that
0:43:22the exercise
0:43:26play around and then the right from that the theory that you need to
0:43:32what i was thinking is that is a very then we have thinking
0:43:39so i think that
0:43:43to all here if you discard the
0:43:48ten minutes tutorial lady against and so one know that we discussed before
0:43:55you could
0:43:57and easily for almost easily i doubt
0:44:00the beginners tutorial
0:44:03when academic ca
0:44:06syllables but
0:44:11my only experience of
0:44:14teaching and academia with
0:44:18being at forum ask for so
0:44:21and that was some years ago
0:44:24suggest a lot of material