0:00:09i'm getting the feeling that have documentation it team is actually in this room right
0:00:17so the docking station team has excess this for almost as long as the name
0:00:22came around and i know it's not with they may snow who were inspired by
0:00:27the red hat labs to write the contention for them
0:00:31and i turned out to be he happened to be really good that
0:00:36and manage the process knowledge onto the rest of the community and that's how we
0:00:40ended up with a docking station team in the first place
0:00:43the month was passed from person to person for few years and eventually shown what
0:00:48can send that out
0:00:49dictator and two thousand three and this year will be his tenth anniversary of the
0:00:57and eventually we came to name three but that a definite i think three has
0:01:01a question
0:01:05sean has millions
0:01:07and some of them are actually here
0:01:09thank you got millions and he makes good use of us people so it's around
0:01:13all the time
0:01:16who are the contention team well
0:01:19we don't really have a
0:01:23i know
0:01:25E to do something about that
0:01:27it's not enough
0:01:33are you going to submit a patch
0:01:43was a committed
0:01:47okay well that i forgot that france the first time
0:01:50i was just think that from memory and there are actually we have about
0:01:55fifty applications that we maintain documentation for on the top of that we have developer
0:02:01documentation the system administrator guys at actually no single person can really keep track of
0:02:07all of that which is probably why i missed your patch
0:02:10and we don't have a formal team structure we have shown results
0:02:16and then we have all of us to do all the work
0:02:19and the we have members who are native english speakers we have people who are
0:02:25not everyone has something to contributes we have over the last year we had twenty
0:02:31five notable contributors
0:02:34seven of whom made significant contributions to lots and lots of projects
0:02:41we have
0:02:44we actually take most of intense for that speech program we have five mentors for
0:02:49willing to mentor intense cordless on the name of page we actually taken things outside
0:02:55of the program as well but is less formally so
0:02:59and that was four years we actually have twelve intense for whom i with us
0:03:03today in this room and up
0:03:07there we go for
0:03:09and six of us and now foundation numbers which i think is actually pretty successful
0:03:14i think we've done really well
0:03:22so we're as we came along we decided welsh on the slide that side he
0:03:28wanted to improve the user documentation and experience for users
0:03:33so previously i can and two minutes of the help was written in top or
0:03:38which is really good for developer help but not actually so good for user help
0:03:42because the first thing you see when you look at the dot book how a
0:03:48double help is just a blank page with an index
0:03:52that's not really very useful
0:03:54i don't help was also written and the hierarchical
0:03:59a structural and focus on
0:04:03describing the user interface
0:04:06and actually who wants to read through a description of the user interface to find
0:04:10out how to achieve some
0:04:12and you want
0:04:14okay the lakers
0:04:17with names three because the user interface change too much between them two and three
0:04:21and also may of applications change we choose to rewrite the hell in model at
0:04:27which was which is next the mel languages which was designed by sean specifically for
0:04:33user help
0:04:34it when you look a lot of help i mean you will to talk will
0:04:37help it looks very different
0:04:38it's much more task oriented
0:04:41so wanna use a reason to help they
0:04:44generally have like they have something they want to achieve
0:04:48they look at the user help and they find how to achieve that so instructions
0:04:51how to achieve something rather than
0:04:54have the user interface
0:04:57and thus as i mentioned this to we have a team members from all over
0:05:01the world we tend to write in simple english because firstly it's easier to translate
0:05:06saintly and you want all or nothing you want but may people find it much
0:05:10easier to write and actually many people find it much easier to understand as well
0:05:15and as it turns out it's pretty important because actually user help is not translated
0:05:20very well i we don't have very many translations as you can see from them
0:05:25to name three there has not been much change
0:05:29most of the user hell translations so it's under ten percent translate that i'm sorry
0:05:36most languages the user help is translate the on the simpsons we use help translate
0:05:40that we have had only one language consistently translated to be nine percent if i'd
0:05:46almost a hundred percent at every release and that the spanish
0:05:50so we really appreciate that
0:05:53and would be great if we can somehow encouraged translators to
0:05:57actually translate the user
0:05:59i'll tell you why that's important and that's
0:06:04so our users we
0:06:06have a lot of users gently they're not people who are sitting in this room
0:06:10that help is designed for people who actually don't know how to use application at
0:06:16all people who have used for many years
0:06:19and we still get it's all useful for people who are here for example if
0:06:23the user interface changes and something you can find some
0:06:27"'cause" the user help well that you will find out that or maybe it's a
0:06:31speech which has been
0:06:33okay i have everything
0:06:35so we can't actually track
0:06:38who reads the desktop help which are construct who reads what they find useful what
0:06:44they didn't find useful
0:06:46the best reviews we gets are actually from translators because they often file bugs within
0:06:54seven days of documents
0:06:57so which is really high because that's long before release usually so we can actually
0:07:02fix things i mean within the team we have a review process as well where
0:07:06in the hell will normally be reviewed by three different people
0:07:11on the other hand users germany and get the runt reporting box six months after
0:07:16the release which can be up to a year after the page was right
0:07:21and this means that so very often by the time they report the but either
0:07:26the U I has changed an application the help as being very rewritten
0:07:30or the problem has already been fixed
0:07:34and if it's and mastery germany but sometimes
0:07:39they might not actually be able to get the fixed without suppression
0:07:42if they might have to actually with another six months to see the fix
0:07:46which isn't very user friendly
0:07:49thanks to hundred every we have actually recently being able to try are uses on
0:07:55like we don't know about or which has proven to be really handy
0:07:59as you can see a it's a particularly good so i've got but you can
0:08:03see the trends and so what that shows
0:08:06is the blue line is unique that's
0:08:10the magenta is unique page fees and the yellow is all each fees on average
0:08:15we get approximately six thousand unique page views a date which is much more than
0:08:20many of the other and then website this by the way covers a user hell
0:08:25and developer help and the system administrator guide
0:08:29and as you can see the trend shows that so
0:08:33we have the most page views on weekdays and that implies that so many of
0:08:40our users for beating the websites are doing so at or rather than
0:08:45which is quite surprising i was actually expecting for most of our users to be
0:08:49using to be reading the help
0:08:51but that's not the case
0:08:58yes when there's nothing on T V
0:09:00and actually along with that's what we found was that the spanish translations all the
0:09:07user help i've been bred much more often than the ritual use help and this
0:09:12is why translations are importance
0:09:15eight out of the top ten read pay most read pages between the user help
0:09:20and the developer documentation happiness five
0:09:25a forced now she's is
0:09:29so that if you pay a few waste that
0:09:33developers and designers can actually help us improve the help before the release
0:09:39because of course we always want to provide the best hope that we can for
0:09:44so for example designer a applications gonna have tool tips because
0:09:51a button does hasn't in icon so know text
0:09:55then it's very difficult for us to describe
0:09:59and we also need to talk about how to interact with the user interface and
0:10:04will help of design is actually try to top themselves through is as well because
0:10:09if they're not able to describe how user should be interacting with a specific button
0:10:13or label then we probably quantity there
0:10:17so you know they can come talk us or even just come up with a
0:10:20way to describe it themselves
0:10:22and i will help us quite a lot
0:10:26and as for developers and
0:10:29we do try to keep on top of user help on them and time and
0:10:34have it done time for the releases
0:10:36but sometimes you know we don't know about the changes
0:10:41we can't actually test the latest application easily so we might need help just building
0:10:46it even
0:10:47so that we can see the what it should look like and whether they have
0:10:51been any changes so please file bugs against the have dogs
0:10:55well then when there you i changes problem when there
0:10:59the application starts working differently when the user get something back from application that is
0:11:05not what they used to get
0:11:06so that we can update the help
0:11:09and of course there are some applications which don't this the their shoulder functionality to
0:11:13the user through the user interface X for example there sometimes hidden shortcuts which are
0:11:18mentioned anywhere
0:11:20but still also not good there so it was really help if when your body's
0:11:25so when we were documenting application just come talk to us
0:11:28tell us what we should be looking at
0:11:31that really helps
0:11:33of course as we document your application we will do a full user in a
0:11:38your i review and usability testing we will actually go for your application
0:11:45and we will try to use it as we normally what i tried to use
0:11:49of how other people like you said
0:11:51and the average we find
0:11:54ten or twenty bucks and they application give application what we do that even if
0:11:59nothing has changed in a few months
0:12:02so we will tested for you said do last customer help for it
0:12:10so the moments we are working on developer documentation and the platform overview effort is
0:12:16being but by for the tickle who is over here
0:12:19make sure gonna see
0:12:25it's a an area which has been neglected someone and this
0:12:29desperately need of more work
0:12:32we are restructuring the platform overview almost from scratch
0:12:38have we have new review pages and we will be integrating some of the developer
0:12:44documentation into it
0:12:47so we always we always need help with that so if you have to help
0:12:51that's just come find that's where having it at a
0:12:54i have has so on a for the help so we have implementation i sorry
0:12:59about the documentation that we're have this for next week and also the system administrator
0:13:03guide the guy the system illustrated right hasn't had much love sense
0:13:10before and it three
0:13:12so well to have our system administrators would want to
0:13:17manage their users has changed and the at the moment there is very little documentation
0:13:23about this
0:13:24there's something a few things on the we key
0:13:27so that's what the other every at that were currently focusing on and that there
0:13:32and there are who's doing that there are helping out with that
0:13:39and also we have been so busy making sure that all the application help as
0:13:45up to date that we have slightly neglected our startup guide
0:13:48the sell that this document which basically
0:13:52helps a newcomers to the docking station team learn how to
0:13:57right the hell which turned to use which vocabulary to use
0:14:02and grammar
0:14:03and turns
0:14:05all sorts but that's been a bit neglected because we in concentration on the user
0:14:10help so that something about we would like to get on some time soon as
0:14:14we are
0:14:15all those the almost then we have or specially writing these are help all of
0:14:20these are hope and mallard and almost all that's up to date now
0:14:24it's actually gotten to the point where it's quite difficult to find you projects for
0:14:29instance two documents
0:14:31so when i'm with you want to make sense from nothing to P
0:14:35just like to say a big thank you to brian and rate who have provided
0:14:40us with a lot of help and tech support when it came to the system
0:14:43administrator's guide
0:14:45they're the people who wrote the tools so we want the last for the help
0:14:48and they have been very receptive
0:14:51give us a lot of advice
0:14:53and that means that we've actually what we have pretty so far as accurate precise
0:14:58and it's easy to understand
0:15:02a question has proven to be a very basically the best developer to work with
0:15:08a typical what cindy here has support will start talking to him
0:15:13as she was writing the user help for the terminal
0:15:16and he was very receptive to improving the U R E and the
0:15:23basically he provided support when we do that and what station with of the top
0:15:29they has been very helpful that's a writing tech support that are happens
0:15:35which we have needed at the last happens we had
0:15:38three out of about eight laptops die on of
0:15:41in the first day
0:15:43that was fun
0:15:48i that
0:15:50he's also be very patient with our intense and sneak comments as being great yes
0:15:56you have
0:15:58there are beyond a
0:16:02and same for a them adam has
0:16:04actually gone so far as to what for instance through submitting there will potential entrants
0:16:10for that speech problem three submitting the first batches
0:16:13and debugging their problems when trying to build applications that takes a lot of dedication
0:16:21so a big thank you to adam as well
0:16:24so having a few more talks at one thing about the conditions there is one
0:16:28later today i about by getting started videos which are what you see the first
0:16:34time you want to your user account your name user account
0:16:38so he's giving a presentation at six P M today
0:16:42i like i like talk i think and the pattern twisting right there
0:16:48it's going to be talking about what we've been doing with the developer documentation over
0:16:52the last two years market was an outreach program that one well you started you
0:16:58have your associates last year
0:17:00but that covers what is a tiffany started on before that
0:17:05and that's will eventually be integrated with the classroom overview which for that includes working
0:17:09on so martin stop it's the more at four if you're interested sorry that to
0:17:14them are to in this room if you're interested and developer documentation do problem that's
0:17:19what she has to say and then join us for the developer documentation had this
0:17:24next week
0:17:26so we're having a developer documentation well i'm sorry hard as for the whole week
0:17:31and we're also having a system administrator's guide had this for the whole week and
0:17:35all that we got the both with some international is a dish of people from
0:17:40that centralisation team will help us i hope make it's easier to write tell
0:17:45for translators well make it easier for translations to translate that help
0:17:52so that's i think that's all i've got to say for the last year
0:17:55you know the question i don't people have lots of questions
0:18:03no use also to you want you know if you know use you should also
0:18:13i think that there are some companies that are using it instead of the
0:18:19but there aren't any major use out of it outside
0:18:23we have well she'll have spoken to katie to see they would use
0:18:30what if you could write something similar to yell it for them to use and
0:18:34for them to use my lights a friendly lot of the data help but i
0:18:39just five minutes i think i'm thinking
0:18:44so i have a question after every release
0:18:51what sort of testing goes like remote versus the tutorials and things like that make
0:18:56sure that
0:18:57they still work against
0:19:00this is that don
0:19:02prior to release or i mean we try to do all testing before the release
0:19:09but what if like me and i stuff so we are actually
0:19:13we didn't get the developer documentation testing done
0:19:16because we don't have that people to do that
0:19:19that's why save anyone's interest and all the documentation we really very needy
0:19:23so if i can help you with that
0:19:26i have
0:19:30i think this is some sort of this is a function of
0:19:35outreach your marketing team in which we can ask you can mediate march two
0:19:40i can people do that especially things like tutorials work that can that can easily
0:19:45be done
0:19:48the one is that you have to have image
0:19:51that we there could do test so that we can that least even or something
0:19:56provides an image
0:19:58prior to release
0:20:00and then
0:20:03actually so i would be really great if you could that once that actually happens
0:20:07and as far as i understand austria will help us actually do that that's thing
0:20:12once that what's because more mature and that's true for translations to translated
0:20:22i think we buy documentation all the go always we don't have documentation freezes because
0:20:27we don't have enough people to actually be able to finish it sometime for free
0:20:31we might be for the could mean we might be a good
0:20:35so i thought should indicate how much spare time we have for testing
0:20:39but we do try to test and we do make sure that's what we actually
0:20:42might we get for if you saw problem within the team and of course if
0:20:46anyone else falls about we always say patches welcome if you want to help us
0:20:50what we fix it
0:20:52okay all right so i'll so we do it
0:20:57thanks for helping
0:21:04have like here
0:21:10i so you mention that so you have interns to do documentation i guess that
0:21:17is problem with documentation as much as with many other non cutting tasks the if
0:21:21you want to be sponsors low paid over there you want to call it to
0:21:25do any of this work the average for women is really the only thing that's
0:21:29available do you see that changing going for those of any chance of some money
0:21:34from elsewhere to get people plates right augmentation to be on is probably not because
0:21:40most people don't seem to care about age
0:21:43it's anything users that you
0:21:46we have another marketing i think
0:21:51i mean it would be
0:21:52i added that most of i need like and the dock station team has been
0:21:56found outreach program and half of our team it's female happens now which is very
0:22:01usual for and i suppose project
0:22:04have we have actually had who knew man train it is anything
0:22:10i think that i think it's becoming very out features and it and i would
0:22:15actually love to see new members join for not
0:22:22i think that bring a lot
0:22:26so about the fact that we say is that a lot of people do
0:22:33think documentation is important
0:22:36so from my perspective documentation is right now
0:22:42my number one focus i
0:22:47comes out of this if you are trying to learn the platform are trying to
0:22:54try to
0:22:56do the code samples or things like that
0:22:59the documentation is this your only guide to actually writing and now
0:23:06and if you don't have to a let me give you an example so if
0:23:10you want to write a java script that
0:23:12everything is we have is just
0:23:15generated by you know G T K to or you know five O G attic
0:23:23we don't if you don't there there's no context and start which you have nothing
0:23:27that says this is how you're right one in java script from you need a
0:23:32loop you know that you need to do they need to do that that's
0:23:36part of java script so if you're we can warrior and you only have time
0:23:41to do it like myself they're gonna be very frustrated very quickly
0:23:46and how we get pumped by other everybody else because are documentation is poor and
0:23:55we're expected to read the code i don't i don't want to read
0:24:00i wanna see documentation
0:24:02we also need more people we just want people to like that made one developers
0:24:06who are willing to write that station or just people but it's not good
0:24:11so for me as a brand
0:24:13it affects the right
0:24:15so and that's how i look at
0:24:19i happens that that's the number of people who have been looking for documentation well
0:24:24what occupation right and their application
0:24:27i have actually just coupled for and they found out there helpless way which isn't
0:24:32ideal we of course always you want to provide documentation
0:24:36but unless we actually have more manpower to do it i don't think it who
0:24:41is like we do have me back to see if there is obviously working on
0:24:44the development innovation we've done some what we have a have a lot more
0:24:48where we are finished
0:24:52first you know the structure of structural thing you about the documentation we just need
0:25:08where is
0:25:10still when i was doing the outreach program from and a internship i fell a
0:25:16lack of documentation to do right documentation that's what the style guide this for still
0:25:22i so i dutifully went and looked up the style i like to write out
0:25:26of print and you know slapped on it but i don't at and i didn't
0:25:32hear commence interviews that is outdated and so you have in place a style guide
0:25:39that you recommend to read and it is outdated so my question is why are
0:25:44two guys working here
0:25:48because we've got too much today
0:25:51what i don't know hire right now we had solved on the last year
0:25:56and then we don't have anyone interested enough to do it i was actually going
0:26:00to right that's myself
0:26:02four months ago i think but then some other projects came up and i but
0:26:07i hope for the since that so for example i chose to write that this
0:26:10me helps the writing style guide
0:26:12it's just that
0:26:13we don't as i each individual the T basically a team works as individuals rather
0:26:19than the whole team unless where it had passed in which case we just put
0:26:23all are written to one thing and we go out that i will get done
0:26:28is jennings and to work on what interests ourselves
0:26:32rather than what
0:26:34interest what specific people might want it was we take requests and that's why we
0:26:40fix but we still say twelve about we will fix them
0:26:45still the cheapest i described widgets right me basically how you can what object is
0:26:51and how you describe it in your documentation and seems with a the release of
0:26:56G D get to be in you know on the applications using a the new
0:27:01G T K tree lot so we just have changed and those do you don't
0:27:04need a you know a G D B which is not right and she and
0:27:09how are newcomers to see educations only great and you get supposed to describe this
0:27:15generally we recommend that they be at the moment like i just finished that if
0:27:19you know and we recommend that they be that if you know because that's actually
0:27:22a good example what help should like
0:27:25and describe based on that but there's where using for them three applications are still
0:27:29somewhat flocks
0:27:31for example empathy was are flagship document the project
0:27:36three years ago now that is somewhat outdated because we have actually able are the
0:27:42style of motivation has a fall down through this i think it has improve we
0:27:47had fewer what we took into account the feedback from users based on what they
0:27:53found confusing and so i would and that will keep evolving process evolving for some
0:27:58time to come
0:28:00but it's at the moment we on our project patient the what can we say
0:28:05which is our application to look at four
0:28:09and user help
0:28:11for developer documentation we don't have a specific style guide at all
0:28:16because that is still being developed
0:28:21and the if you actually go read was already there but that's not to the
0:28:26so i've just one ones so
0:28:29at the data that a still by the time for women and when i it
0:28:36you have a language that is why it's not you know what is going on
0:28:39with the documentation team and what is a place that i list doesn't have any
0:28:44of this stuff that you're working on i mean you know what is propose the
0:28:47system admin guy that the guy and usually there's you could very a quest for
0:28:52the system administrator right there is a purpose for that well right there are a
0:28:55separate pages from the application help there
0:28:58three cost less and then there are links to sell it to the documentation could
0:29:03perhaps that G D V saturday included in the tasks for the thousand the page
0:29:08it okay cool i'll
0:29:26okay so two things one sort of report to your home
0:29:33and one about trees
0:29:38so it's not the
0:29:41it's just something to help your rights documentation
0:29:44if you use emacs
0:29:47emacs is really good for everything X M L based
0:29:52and i started a little project called you know emacs you kills
0:29:56it's my blog
0:29:58it's basically you download at it's model
0:30:02you are installed you tell emacs about it
0:30:05has a condition have to do that
0:30:07i mean what it does is basically every time you open a model are documents
0:30:12in emacs
0:30:13it's kind of the model are X M L schema
0:30:16and you have tab completion for the available tax at any point in
0:30:21in your document so you know if you are inside of that patience have a
0:30:27section inside of
0:30:29paragraph people tell you a key right here you can put you know
0:30:33all emphases or a reference to another thing more linked another it is very nice
0:30:39it's very useful
0:30:56so we need style but we definitely nist i would i
0:31:01well you know when i started writing documentation a
0:31:06that was when we used a cool and the hope is this immense ocean of
0:31:14emacs really help me there at least you know what i could do at any
0:31:18point in time or at any point in the document
0:31:21and you know i had
0:31:24for that specific case you know that will pass
0:31:27like i don't know nine different types of lists
0:31:31one aside my fleece order these variable least
0:31:35list of
0:31:37this and that kind of thing and even if you get it wrong the first
0:31:42once you have the content in their it is really easy to change the least
0:31:46i and the sub element types to something else
0:31:49you know so
0:31:52don't be afraid of using the wrong elements type because someone later look at it
0:31:57and say you know you should be using this one instead and it's really change
0:32:00but it's getting the content written but these hard part
0:32:04just in response to send it's actually very similar with my learns you have for
0:32:09example steps for lists which i think steps and the lists we just for the
0:32:15list of items terms for the vision turns
0:32:19and that's what's in a similar way
0:32:21and the point the whole point so well how to hold a part of the
0:32:24point of using mallard was the tax should be relatively self expiring three
0:32:30so as you type it as you write something you should be based on to
0:32:35get some steps and get some steps and steps why want to show an example
0:32:40and then you just use an example tag
0:32:47and this is all fine i mean but that's not personally not only concern what
0:32:53i'm saying it's a i I G some kinder now and i am i've done
0:32:59some small features for this that gets clients "'cause" but and down they are they're
0:33:06using a lot of me which it some G T K tree and i had
0:33:09that i never seen them before i mean these they're very new show there is
0:33:13like G D G T K had of are now i have for someone who
0:33:17is waiting documentation for this like let's look let's go back and look from and
0:33:21you'll be point of view of how will how will they describe our how will
0:33:25they know what's ahead of our do they maybe that person thinks okay this is
0:33:29the top but are is not think of the same thing i had to the
0:33:33developer documentation actually requires prior there is that we have it you have to know
0:33:38what you're describing
0:33:40so you have to actually develop the call that were or what about right you
0:33:46should vision for you
0:33:48i mean you really so that's where most are still have a little overview a
0:33:54whole different parts from this
0:33:57thank you or would have time to recruit these or
0:34:02both kinds of things and then we can start looking for from that we get
0:34:06this is a some advices ripping right there is a cell phones and also and
0:34:11they what's to say something so file i guess say what's missing something also start
0:34:18let's about is it is a problem recently if you're interested will actually go for
0:34:23the presentation about something you would sort of in detail but reputations and of course
0:34:29all these things which recovering so if you could to discuss redevelopment vision that which
0:34:33recovery you will see this thing so that even visually created an idea some of
0:34:37the new features that you might want to be looking at but at some things
0:34:41that you know somebody we started documentation now we don't know the documentation is supposed
0:34:45to be we have low entry barrier and you're taking people who don't have a
0:34:50fourteen experience so it's like a chicken any problem you want to know that of
0:34:54the documentation exist that these are like really new people so they don't hope for
0:34:59salvation is not really intended for self is that you maybe you have to know
0:35:03what they're doing show it is it is a requirement that you need to specify
0:35:07probably a on the page before you know people line
0:35:12we have people contributing not very good outreach program and we actually there is
0:35:19really have very many what with this year we have a have a and that's
0:35:22what about the documentation we had that we currently out there for the user helping
0:35:26you to use a help as well last year we had four and there is
0:35:30for developer documentation they to start from scratch so i think it's to them along
0:35:35a lot of time to get up to speed
0:35:37i have martin can probably say something about that if some parts her microphone
0:35:59i am working i'm trying to work on that
0:36:05on something that you might like
0:36:08it's the it's a
0:36:11you something can there is the door you know
0:36:14so far it's just for
0:36:16dig a
0:36:18i would like
0:36:20to have something like that to for other libraries the i'm working on the one
0:36:26for by then
0:36:28mad for the market is upstairs because we i might for the is working on
0:36:36something similar for javascript
0:36:41and actually my talk tomorrow about this project
0:36:46so i are you getting to be talking about how you actually started right to
0:36:49help us and you come right yes
0:36:51issue becoming
0:36:54that's good that's good for me irina
0:36:57and i think sites also have on site
0:37:05i just i something what's in the say as and things that need of more
0:37:10documentation on the B P a one of things that i have some but depending
0:37:14on but then one of these is to do with experiments you i am hoping
0:37:17that should i wouldn't want in here don't getting that we use because i as
0:37:22well you know some stuff one experiment you i interviewed use but i think it's
0:37:26more to do it the fact that they're not
0:37:30i don't we're going to be because i had like use experiment us but mine
0:37:36as for one of the but then it still don't know how to
0:37:39and i
0:37:40couldn't really find documented and you know stuff on the big on this or maybe
0:37:44i haven't been can probably
0:37:48if it's not there
0:37:50thank you can out that
0:37:52it should actually right that the patient i'm you know i'm just seen that i
0:37:56might don't know how to experiment un
0:38:00in i okay so for start but it's not that we key we did not
0:38:06have any documentation about that
0:38:09the location for that is on the project about website
0:38:14and there is some degradation about that but it's still
0:38:18okay by than a space it's really as experimental we don't know which way will
0:38:22get better does a lot of work with that
0:38:24so personally i find of the best thing to do is actually look at examples
0:38:28of that this work
0:38:29different how to use it
0:38:31i think it does but have you have anything to say that's about
0:38:39but it's sure it's
0:38:41course for books about most experiments this is
0:38:48and all that this implement that we will go or it's a moving target also
0:38:53changing we maybe have also you know sledge my lower the biggest visual know ricky
0:39:02which are realists
0:39:05men's from the experiment on them snakes basis that i want to implement the you
0:39:10so that's probably the only resource new one more workable
0:39:23we have us
0:39:25just a quick comments
0:39:29what on one know the your slides there is a library but know that and
0:39:33i think it changed to help that know that all know that is actually not
0:39:38the case lightly cover is held about sitting
0:39:45so when you get like we the first thing you see is a user is
0:39:50developers system straight i want to actually click on this is will take the something
0:39:57but actually like that what websites we get from that covers all of have to
0:40:02use it developer and this is a straight guy
0:40:07we have some time for some more questions anybody
0:40:15so that so i mean we king mo P flow
0:40:22what's your strategy for the next so i don't know speaks
0:40:27something like that and it does seem like a lot of stuff found
0:40:34it's not clear
0:40:38to me and what is most important to be like
0:40:44we do not have a very diverse team and as i was saying most of
0:40:48us prefer to work on user help because that's a lot of about to have
0:40:53very few developers and the documentation team which has proven to be a problem
0:40:58but generally people working there is that they're interested because that's where they must matrix
0:41:03to work
0:41:04so i hope so for most the contributors i expect will be working on maintaining
0:41:12the user help for they could is leading that right for the developer hell
0:41:18that that's our entire happy working on the system administrator but i plan to continue
0:41:22working on that
0:41:24we have brian voices well who has been working who has started that how do
0:41:30i series of the week E and all that's actually just one of these different
0:41:34things if we were to constraint on one for start it would not be good
0:41:37use of our time because some of us do not are not very good in
0:41:41that area
0:41:42of course we can amend have to but that would just me that we would
0:41:46have to give up working in other areas to be able to achieve
0:41:50okay so no my question online and so
0:41:57what's your strategy and for the better no what's your strategy D to have like
0:42:03a set a so plan come a because it i
0:42:09if it can be difficult i think for people to you can vote still didn't
0:42:15you know how to how to style and
0:42:21i think
0:42:23i think
0:42:27i this is all the goal currently for the developer who is to finish then
0:42:34you buy from a fee which the go for developer help is to finish the
0:42:39platform of review which is which is and gets so anyone can go look that
0:42:46where we are i thing you descriptions for various areas of about form
0:42:52i swear moving the we're moving the that is that's what has be working on
0:42:59into that
0:43:01i once that's complete that will be development or
0:43:05so where overhauling about from scratch
0:43:09we have
0:43:11i know
0:43:15for the user how it's now getting to the point where it's primarily made sense
0:43:20if you go on to our we key
0:43:23which you will find so we got a little functions documentation project
0:43:30and that youtube application helped us page you will see all the application help supplement
0:43:36english that there
0:43:38and it actually has individual states this
0:43:42our aim is to get all of the states as into green which is complete
0:43:47done for if you
0:43:48and ready to be shipped
0:43:50and that is basically are ongoing maintenance we have i mean this now finishing the
0:43:57all day user help which experience of from the top block as far protection
0:44:15any other questions
0:44:18i think we can take another question anybody
0:44:22is just a couple of minutes left
0:44:31okay thank you