Speech Transcript - GTK: To infinity and beyond

0:00:10	so this is this for yes
0:00:15	about
0:00:16	the future of G D case where we want to go we had a
0:00:21	i first
0:00:23	in april
0:00:25	well we sit down and natalie botched all the also believe it is that the
0:00:29	fee is introduced last all
0:00:32	but also talk about the future and how we see
0:00:37	things going
0:00:41	i know presenting my ideas for a i mean things are saying i've presented and
0:00:47	everybody else so far nobody can play i hope this will change in this tall
0:00:52	or develop
0:00:53	but
0:00:56	so for wider "'cause" that's consumption is what we mean
0:01:00	where we want to go
0:01:03	in the future and how
0:01:06	things will be able next year
0:01:09	ideas and G T K is going to
0:01:13	first talk about technical things like what features do we want to G T K
0:01:17	next
0:01:18	that about practical i called practical because it didn't find a better word yes what
0:01:25	kind of two teams G T K going to be
0:01:29	is there is a difference between huge and H T M L
0:01:33	and G T K and release other to get
0:01:37	that's all briefly about G T K three buttons G T K two
0:01:42	and
0:01:43	the question might lose every well is that gonna but T K for it when
0:01:47	it's gonna be that
0:01:49	and what's it gonna be about
0:01:55	so technical
0:01:58	is it all this is not a road map
0:02:02	this is what we think we want to do next so all the things that
0:02:06	presents here a still so abstract
0:02:10	that we don't know how they will look and code and we don't even know
0:02:14	if
0:02:15	a year from now you'll still one that this
0:02:18	but for now we want
0:02:26	the first one is his classes
0:02:29	if you wear it demanded store
0:02:32	this morning he introduced his ideas away he sees things or what so i probably
0:02:39	shouldn't say much more about it
0:02:42	i agree with that
0:02:45	go for
0:02:49	but that the general thing is we want to have the features that about that
0:02:54	and be able to use that not just
0:02:57	make application developers able to use them from inside G T K application we also
0:03:02	want to use them
0:03:04	to create a widgets
0:03:07	have a look like
0:03:09	one which is
0:03:15	this is
0:03:19	part of what emails that animal you know with P that we quiet
0:03:23	be it is the idea to you from the kind of way when you draw
0:03:27	widget
0:03:29	G T K you just have a draw function that draws everything like modifies a
0:03:34	bunch of variables that draws this that modifies the variables again and also that by
0:03:38	the variables again of that
0:03:41	so you don't know
0:03:43	and you think about what you just roll at you if you want to go
0:03:47	to is the mouse over this stuff but i do the arrow that's that you
0:03:52	have to compute that us alvin S gets really complicated
0:03:56	so is that we want to have actors
0:03:59	ideally class or active
0:04:01	that
0:04:02	we can use it is that
0:04:05	you around and that do all this stuff automatically for
0:04:10	and that should make it easy to write complex which is with lots of things
0:04:14	that you could move rather than screen and still try easily of them out as
0:04:18	is
0:04:19	on a lot of what i
0:04:22	it also makes it easy for you guys just i really because we want to
0:04:26	make our actors conform to the C S stuff but we right
0:04:31	previews yes
0:04:32	so that you can lend
0:04:34	at borders to them that patty model
0:04:39	so for sizes for every single out
0:04:45	again
0:04:47	great if we had nobody writing and which seriously thinking about that we have
0:04:52	i have a proper experimented with it
0:04:55	i'm cat program
0:05:01	just use our input system is still essentially the egg synthesis the
0:05:07	so when you want to handle something with the mouse that is more complicated than
0:05:12	about press or
0:05:15	pressing to but a double take
0:05:17	like even the long press you have to
0:05:21	track time and at a time out somewhere and no wonder what happens and you
0:05:25	need to remove the time out that you would widget gets hidden or
0:05:29	the mouse moves and things like that a really complicated
0:05:33	and for common interactions that people do but with the mouse and even with touch
0:05:39	like imagine what you need to do you want to have a to think guess
0:05:42	white that you need to track
0:05:45	touchdown events for one finger in for the other thing and then you need to
0:05:48	check if they move of the same speed in the same direction and
0:05:54	the you if one of the thing is leaves this screen do you that make
0:05:59	that we do that of all the gesture or not at all these complicated stuff
0:06:03	i need to think about it makes it really complicated
0:06:07	to
0:06:09	to track all these complicated gestures that
0:06:12	i so simple on these other
0:06:14	devices you
0:06:17	wouldn't want to do that manually on every which is so we want to have
0:06:20	objects that you can just trying to say
0:06:24	do you please have a
0:06:27	just
0:06:28	and i will take just it is everything and you just connected to your button
0:06:32	and when somebody clicks on it you will get a this gesture was just done
0:06:36	signal and that's it
0:06:41	on top of that we want to have that with which is that one which
0:06:45	is handling at the next which it can because
0:06:49	you want to do scrolling on top of other widgets then that's probably needs to
0:06:54	happen so that's a bunch of complicated stuff
0:06:59	that we seriously thinking about that we have
0:07:03	i was gonna actually is ill i was still
0:07:06	alice's be working on that
0:07:09	i am working on the think that use this looking at it and excess the
0:07:12	looking at it i've talked to and about that we all have ideas of how
0:07:16	that might or might not well
0:07:19	but ideally it should be so simple to just say
0:07:23	this widget is listening to slide to the left or right tell me whether what
0:07:28	that you can use what stuff like swap to the lexus
0:07:31	split to the next day
0:07:37	there is are
0:07:39	technical long term goals
0:07:43	it's still a lot of work so
0:07:47	stuff but stuff especially happening moving into the right direction
0:07:53	also if anybody wants to comment what really i guess
0:07:58	talk about it with me on I C I
0:08:01	people experimenting with this crazy stuff give me new ideas gives other people you it
0:08:07	is it sometimes something turns out very simple
0:08:11	we just put strategies E K O
0:08:19	so
0:08:22	the practical part of the talk is
0:08:25	i gave i gave at all asking a bunch of questions about what G T
0:08:29	K's about two years ago
0:08:32	at
0:08:33	boston some
0:08:36	to
0:08:37	since then i've talked to many people about what they think so than what i
0:08:42	think is reasonable
0:08:46	and
0:08:47	compiled
0:08:48	and this to these are not necessarily the ounces i
0:08:54	so don't shouted neva be stupid person because i wanted that way i think there
0:08:59	is a beyond says that a car wreck on system questions that
0:09:06	and i want to put them out because i think you use there's a guide
0:09:11	ins of how we want to look at to develop and how we want
0:09:14	to make things happen like if somebody
0:09:18	things G T K should do this
0:09:21	i want to tell them no i don't think there is the right thing because
0:09:26	because of this practical decisions that we make
0:09:33	first one is
0:09:34	i listen back and support
0:09:37	how many back as do we support what kind of operating systems do we support
0:09:42	how well do we support
0:09:47	do we can have it every feature that we add is available on every operating
0:09:52	system and back and we use all
0:09:57	or do we
0:09:59	how do we do
0:10:01	so i think it's
0:10:03	we have one primary
0:10:06	thing back and we support
0:10:09	and then in this case please G okay back and apparently this is X eleven
0:10:15	and the future
0:10:17	that will most likely waylon
0:10:20	we have a bunch of have a beckons but the other back-ends have to make
0:10:25	work
0:10:27	with what we give like we ride in A P I that works already i
0:10:32	will work well all waited
0:10:35	and that is the primary get like G D K will be an abstraction that
0:10:38	right away
0:10:40	it should definitely be okay on everything else next that
0:10:46	okay window plots whatever somebody else comes up i still hope for it am aspect
0:10:52	and so we can easily pull shell
0:10:55	to be a way to post a very well
0:11:01	i lots of backends but in the if we also question how do we implement
0:11:05	this feature we'll look at weight and how the way to do it and that
0:11:09	and you like where for currently we look at that like
0:11:16	like to say it example what we implement the frames for three point eight
0:11:21	we implement of the frame for all X eleven
0:11:24	and i will did
0:11:26	lots of what figure out is it is it implement able and everything else
0:11:30	particular how did a whale and all but then he implemented in the way
0:11:37	that was good for X
0:11:39	and for the people i don't have a right or we just use it idol
0:11:44	souls that takes every sixty milliseconds i'm still
0:11:49	all for the ones where it's not implemented i think windows uses the idols
0:11:54	might have been fixed by now just
0:11:58	we make sure what some X eleven and family of it and works okay everywhere
0:12:02	else but those
0:12:06	so
0:12:07	this is the reason for that is that if we make sure it works really
0:12:13	well everywhere we would be so far behind on these
0:12:17	platforms
0:12:19	until we fix i think it G D K base by the supporting a new
0:12:23	feature that i problems would take weight
0:12:38	i'll come to that when i talk about platforms which is a kind of different
0:12:42	things like to but the general thing is
0:12:46	work them make sure stuff works it doesn't have to be perfect like if you
0:12:51	don't have any frame synchronisation you probably can with it
0:12:55	make sure it's possible to implement it
0:12:59	if the platform supports it the reasonable way
0:13:03	like we try to make a right the i smell
0:13:06	but i just next that you tried to make abstract them in a way that
0:13:11	they can be able and everywhere but if we have to choose
0:13:15	either X eleven or everything else we will choose X
0:13:22	the good news is we're currently in the process of switching from X eleven to
0:13:26	wait and so we have
0:13:28	currently having a very bright extraction that accommodates two very important back-ends
0:13:34	so it's easier than ever to write you one so if you want to experiment
0:13:38	is that like android back like K M S like that
0:13:42	as the best time
0:13:44	please don't write another direct
0:13:52	for better is the question of what size of devices do we
0:13:58	care about
0:13:59	do we want to run small lobe i'll devices do we want to run on
0:14:03	devices without a floating point unit to we want to run on
0:14:09	i really don't supercomputers what devices do we run and i think this question has
0:14:15	been onset last what i've already that know focus is on laptops
0:14:21	so we will with a single lap tops
0:14:24	but i think is that there is lots of devices that are very similar to
0:14:28	laptops like fall factor tablets that have a screen that looks like a laptop screen
0:14:34	the nap rare is simple a very similar C P U power memory
0:14:40	but if we have to decide why how we do we make file choose a
0:14:45	we will not make sure the file choose it fits into a three hundred twenty
0:14:49	by two forty three we will just
0:14:52	go with the do regular laptops
0:14:56	and we also make sure it looks good
0:14:59	size to something
0:15:02	like i was
0:15:09	input devices
0:15:12	how people going
0:15:15	to in that stuff
0:15:16	this is attach question that's always come out
0:15:21	at the other but that is still because laptops obviously i was it P
0:15:26	laptops are getting taxable so expect people to look at what more
0:15:32	that
0:15:34	also back from the technical stuff without the gestures is really complicated apparently to
0:15:42	make something complex like leaving this why
0:15:46	handle without adding lots of extra variables to your five widget privates
0:15:54	we're trying that in the scroll window explode with the is
0:15:59	you can see
0:16:07	this is an interesting one
0:16:11	you can either decide to be the bad form
0:16:16	to define the platform all to try to integrate with existing
0:16:21	i you can say G T K tries very hard to be able you look
0:16:26	at tries to look like K D E applications he tries to look like it
0:16:32	was X application a low cost lights look like windows application
0:16:36	windows and doors look like real application of you know let's the easy
0:16:42	i tried to look like an X F C application all next see in tries
0:16:46	to look like to make a recreational thing
0:16:48	okay
0:16:53	i think we want to be a platform for us
0:16:56	and to integrate sec
0:16:59	i means
0:17:00	a real example with that is
0:17:06	let's say it interesting example is that is middle mouse paste
0:17:10	you know that you can select text and then use the middle mouse button to
0:17:13	paste it anywhere
0:17:16	all
0:17:17	katie
0:17:19	on you know you could do that you know decided to disable it so somebody
0:17:25	wrote the passion to remove it from G T K
0:17:31	that didn't go well with lots of
0:17:34	you know uses i think
0:17:36	it's turned off by default of into currently and all the J fedora hasn't still
0:17:43	do we still have a turn all those a daily of the next release i
0:17:46	don't know
0:17:48	next really it's
0:17:49	so from next door release you cannot middle mouse place anymore you need to do
0:17:53	use control C control
0:17:57	why
0:17:58	you need to ask people that decided that was that's the goal excuse that i
0:18:03	have
0:18:06	and it's a different discussion to
0:18:09	to might fall so you
0:18:13	find the right people i'm not sure visit john allen
0:18:18	some of the design is
0:18:20	side
0:18:22	so this is well not me
0:18:26	it's a it's a good example of why i want to say i think we
0:18:30	need to be a platform for us to decide we don't want to do something
0:18:34	even though they're not all that do it because it's
0:18:39	that to support these things when nobody of the call develop is ever going to
0:18:44	test
0:18:45	and also what people write applications than not going to test
0:18:50	the case where this platform features different
0:18:55	so
0:18:56	they will sometimes even the pen almost
0:19:00	a depend on those platform feature being set one way or the other
0:19:04	like somebody might decide hey the middle mouse button on an entry doesn't do anything
0:19:08	i will at the feature to my entry that i saw on the middle mouse
0:19:14	suddenly that featured is weapon open to because it's about that all the case
0:19:19	okay
0:19:22	to get back
0:19:27	of course if it's possible to integrate and it's not very hard and it's not
0:19:31	very confusing we want to do that
0:19:34	like sometimes we even go out of the way because we think it's really important
0:19:38	like the menu work
0:19:40	that ryan did where you men you can be in the title volume using go
0:19:45	shall the full menu can be a like nudity
0:19:48	or in katie you still have at the window
0:19:53	something as i think it's important but
0:19:58	if we are in that we will be a platform and the platform we yes
0:20:03	of course but you know platform because most of the people it develop
0:20:08	at G T K i know us
0:20:12	which means that if we have to argue with X it see develop is about
0:20:17	that time for the different
0:20:21	sure if we can integrate their ideas but where the whole
0:20:31	but of course and that goes back to the question you awesome
0:20:35	we want to work everywhere
0:20:37	there simple reasonable limits like probably not work
0:20:42	on a commodore sixty four
0:20:49	but
0:20:50	i play somebody has and also lowers box and wants to run the G T
0:20:54	K three application of that
0:20:59	it would be nice if we could do that i think we still do that
0:21:02	like we have we have support for X eleven call protocol features that
0:21:09	at the end of the X so we can run with features that have been
0:21:13	in the X server for ten years and then you get everything you
0:21:20	we we're trying to keep it that way it's also great for D by the
0:21:23	way
0:21:25	we want to run everywhere we want to run on all operating systems of all
0:21:31	platforms we definitely want to keep running at a you don't want you know replicate
0:21:36	press we also
0:21:39	a new machines that you have somewhere with at the end
0:21:43	well whatever
0:21:45	so that means you propose in new features that
0:21:48	for require is the greatest opengl extend have a i will probably complain
0:22:02	this one is an interesting want to like we develop is the use G T
0:22:06	K
0:22:07	what kind of application of a people
0:22:09	are we developing a smallish have slight
0:22:13	my favourite example is always you know clocks because that's just a bunch of box
0:22:19	well i developing huge applications like
0:22:26	we brought it stinks capable
0:22:31	and we also to this one
0:22:35	which you "'cause"
0:22:36	can almost guess it's you have the in the T as tall as we focus
0:22:41	on smaller
0:22:43	the new widgets that we add it make it really easy to write a small
0:22:47	that looks
0:22:48	the way that you know designs and that is really easy to write smaller
0:22:56	and i just because but
0:22:59	the people as well on all the to get like
0:23:05	i know guys that you know it's focusing on small house we want to make
0:23:09	it easy to have an actual listen to that's for where people right smaller fast
0:23:16	and we want to make it easy for that push that
0:23:20	onto the best
0:23:22	there also is the case that the big applications
0:23:27	usually
0:23:28	right that road toolkit or at a lots of bells and whistles and widgets and
0:23:37	so like we're offices the best example it's build or i have fox to build
0:23:42	on top of G T K but they only opened a window in the draw
0:23:45	everything themselves
0:23:47	like they tried to call into the seeming layout maybe of G T K but
0:23:52	that'll using you could be a G T K widgets
0:23:54	and even applications likings K have lots of the road widgets
0:24:00	so if we want to go and at a docking which is okay
0:24:06	probably
0:24:07	you guys would complain but it doesn't look like the docking behaviour the escape doesn't
0:24:11	can play that doesn't look like it's good talking behaviour the nobody user
0:24:17	so
0:24:18	the way this is worked out is that small developers a currently running this the
0:24:24	G T K development so we're focusing on small
0:24:35	yes that of course makes life harder for all those of real application feel like
0:24:40	the applications
0:24:44	what
0:24:46	i defining the difference is some is
0:24:50	i
0:24:53	so this
0:24:56	it's like it's a spectral like that is applications that a small and tiny that
0:25:02	obviously all like thoughts about one of the big the
0:25:08	so it anyways an example that when i wrote this talk presented somebody is that
0:25:13	you brought up i think to me epiphany is a smaller because epiphany is essentially
0:25:20	but prove around
0:25:24	at if you take what you would wept it is easy
0:25:30	what it had which
0:25:32	and if you take that out it's just few
0:25:36	like compare to the my amount of which is that you have and that regulate
0:25:40	you window
0:25:42	where all the settings
0:25:44	layout dialogues layout dialogues set
0:25:49	is that
0:25:51	it's
0:25:53	now
0:25:56	i would i would give you i would give you the definition if the if
0:26:00	the highness hot of porting the application
0:26:04	yes porting all the dialogue boxes that it's a big
0:26:10	which was the big thing for the liberal disguises big thing for the numeric guys
0:26:14	like imagine
0:26:18	but
0:26:21	it's something we're looking more at the smaller side a lot
0:26:27	this might change next year because suddenly lots of develop a show out that want
0:26:31	to make really awesome P T V and i really great to look at the
0:26:36	suddenly we find languages what
0:26:39	but now
0:26:41	about this some more
0:26:48	there's always people making
0:26:51	often times making jobs but
0:26:54	sometimes being serious a why should i use G T K three
0:27:00	i have adjudicated application it's also
0:27:06	should i still use G P K to select what the G T K three
0:27:16	we have been very clear from the beginning that we want everybody of the G
0:27:22	we ninety to get we think G T K three's also
0:27:27	but in recent times
0:27:32	i've kind of started to die
0:27:35	because
0:27:37	G T K two is stable
0:27:40	this change
0:27:41	like every change that happens there even is just a simple but big as a
0:27:46	high chance of breaking some application somewhere
0:27:50	and it's essentially board
0:27:52	that there are people out that the like to stable changing or
0:27:59	there's people that and say well we're targeting route a
0:28:03	ralph i've recently learned as G T K two point ten
0:28:09	do you can two point and already has cairo
0:28:12	doesn't have points that windows
0:28:16	so
0:28:18	it's very
0:28:20	if you write an application that is targeting G T K two point ten
0:28:25	you're probably doing yourselves this service if you're porting it to G T K three
0:28:30	because suddenly you have another pull you to make
0:28:34	unless of course you want to take advantage of all the great features of G
0:28:37	T K three and want to be integrate really well into you know
0:28:41	but if you want to be integrate really well to you know you have to
0:28:45	keep a with you know anyway because you know it's still
0:28:49	changing rubber
0:28:52	quickly
0:28:54	at
0:28:55	sure if you want to do that and if you like that and you have
0:28:57	the manpower a prodigy okay three
0:29:00	so if you have more busy porting your favourite application to all the tools
0:29:06	at removing millions of lines of loading
0:29:11	who for
0:29:12	outdated file
0:29:16	well that might be better to keep using
0:29:23	also do you think a three and this is one of the things you can
0:29:26	three is very
0:29:28	and state people always come to me and say well you doing at i brace
0:29:32	you doing avi breaks
0:29:35	and i always say
0:29:38	we both
0:29:39	we are trying things and see if we can get away with it
0:29:45	like a clutter integration is not something that happens without it
0:29:50	i suppose it doesn't have without a cup i don't know how much of a
0:29:53	magician men yes but probably
0:30:03	i mean we we've managed quite a bit of things them actually quite happy with
0:30:08	how a little we wrote start with all the things that we introduced light
0:30:12	see is that's rendering change the way we do the
0:30:16	three releases and applications you
0:30:19	look okay
0:30:24	at
0:30:25	i also quite happy that all you know develop this that right more complex applications
0:30:30	keep up with us and when we introduce frame clocks
0:30:33	and they have
0:30:35	been done sink some ways they that their applications that suddenly that all
0:30:45	so that's right i
0:30:47	we like
0:30:49	that we can be but of course
0:30:52	if we're both and you know from the technical changes that we want to have
0:30:56	that we probably need to be bold like if we want to introduce gestures and
0:31:01	redo or input system that might be things happening to people that care about input
0:31:07	more than the usual person that this has about clicks
0:31:11	like you for example
0:31:17	so
0:31:18	but we can be both because it enables us to do that so
0:31:25	which brings us to be able
0:31:31	what are we going to do G T K for
0:31:34	why don't we
0:31:38	when i don't know
0:31:41	because
0:31:42	i don't think about you know there is a lot of text to do the
0:31:45	clapper stuff i you have no idea is active stop words and if so how
0:31:51	long take
0:31:54	and
0:31:57	we want those things ideally before we duty for because we want to get the
0:32:02	G T K two advantages be boring
0:32:06	table in particular we want to have those back
0:32:10	we'd like to have a to hear that is modern that works sometimes and has
0:32:15	all these great advantages
0:32:19	but that is also stable and that we can tell people with a huge
0:32:24	application if you all now this application will run i change without problems
0:32:31	five use you
0:32:35	i think this is one of the girls that we have used it you for
0:32:38	the other one is the
0:32:41	the other one is how long can we be bold until our application developers throw
0:32:46	rocks as us for breaking random stuff
0:32:52	there are of course everybody always throws rocks when i find the by that
0:32:57	i
0:32:59	it's
0:33:00	it's about is that we need to take of course because they also want a
0:33:03	support
0:33:05	we definitely shouldn't regular application when we implement and it should work out of the
0:33:09	box and they should
0:33:11	like an application developer will need to change not thing actually just
0:33:14	what about
0:33:16	idea
0:33:18	and if it doesn't extra rolls and we throw the rocks back and as long
0:33:22	as we still have a chance of winning about okay
0:33:25	we will draw
0:33:27	but and then i think we want to
0:33:30	G T K two
0:33:33	the stability that you take a have
0:33:36	i would like to do a new major release
0:33:40	rid of all the deprecated a the eyes
0:33:43	and i tried to be
0:33:46	a lot more careful we do an advertise to a forest we had done with
0:33:54	for
0:34:00	i ask you saying and the beginning with
0:34:05	and of long as you laugh
0:34:08	we will go
0:34:13	that
0:34:17	question
0:34:27	as a contributor to G T K even a small one about a couple of
0:34:32	projects going to the toolkit
0:34:35	i think that the domain interesting having widgets you can so i G T K
0:34:40	is they need to be
0:34:43	widely used we need to be able a pick-off to name all doesn't applications that
0:34:48	we use that particular widget three to be useful
0:34:52	and
0:34:54	what we try to do well but you know those widgets is also make sure
0:34:57	that they match the good on designs
0:35:01	so that means that the behave and the look and feel of the of the
0:35:07	new widgets should match
0:35:09	should match the designs and that makes it that much easier to write applications that
0:35:14	do the right thing
0:35:16	yes something i didn't talk about with it i actually like a lot this the
0:35:20	way that we currently develop the new widgets at the kind of we just we
0:35:25	develop
0:35:26	like they
0:35:28	they
0:35:30	requires so behaviour from your application see which it so we kind of
0:35:37	match you in the right direction if you use the widgets that your application looks
0:35:42	kind of okay without lots of input from people in advance doing more things like
0:35:47	that
0:35:48	and
0:35:50	at those widgets mature in libraries that are using the what the G D
0:35:59	and sometimes they make it
0:36:01	and then they get review then we also the accessibility we usually fix accessibility issues
0:36:06	already only G D because we use the which is you know and sometimes they
0:36:11	don't like it and then they end up in those few applications that actually
0:36:16	use the widgets sometimes the widgets you can type budget to the different applications use
0:36:21	that
0:36:22	at the nice thing so far is that which is that have shown up in
0:36:26	G T K are a really useful for a lot of applications be the A
0:36:30	P I is actually a well thought out
0:36:34	at the widgets
0:36:36	i'm going to work because they had been used in that way
0:36:41	for a while
0:36:43	a very different thing
0:36:44	so yes i like that very much so if you have a which is that
0:36:47	you think lots of
0:36:49	applications i using attic you know develop
0:36:53	get in touch with
0:36:55	best and probably me that in doing that too late G D's one of the
0:36:59	cases i don't know what they act for a list box had it's a repository
0:37:05	but that's
0:37:06	does that still exist there's still of the box and that's so there's about a
0:37:11	repositories that we have that you can also use if you want to try those
0:37:15	we just but they of course don't have G P case
0:37:19	i guarantee
0:37:22	so
0:37:23	if you're not again develop
0:37:25	you but it's definitely interesting to look at them from time to time to figure
0:37:29	out
0:37:30	what we're
0:37:36	that you
0:37:41	i use you spoke a little bit of a of the back and so you
0:37:44	want to support but you didn't really talk about what might be on the other
0:37:47	side so a lot of people are saying she'd it is rapidly becoming to can
0:37:52	home toolkit how do you things like access to your and likes to you that
0:37:56	want to use G T K but you know maybe don't want to use all
0:37:59	the can don't hurt
0:38:01	so that's what i sat we want to be a platform bust integrate second
0:38:07	so if you want to use G T K to do your own that form
0:38:11	but it
0:38:12	but all that is very different from G T K
0:38:16	you that complaints probably for doing all those setting patches
0:38:22	i mean if you want to use G T K
0:38:27	you kind of
0:38:29	i mean the place where you use G T K
0:38:32	so you to become a G T K develop that push the to look at
0:38:36	in a different direction i can tell you from experience that takes quite some people
0:38:42	at
0:38:46	or you
0:38:47	have to pay
0:38:50	i'm not saying you have to take what we give you but you have to
0:38:53	talk to as and
0:38:55	i have to be prepared to get an though
0:39:01	yes i mean if you if you want if you want to write a lot
0:39:04	of all that uses G T K of them to look at
0:39:07	you better dissipated G T K somehow guy G T K to be the to
0:39:12	look at that you wanted to
0:39:14	otherwise certificate will be the going to because they can do people do that
0:39:25	this is just a theoretical concern like "'cause" i was i can tell what ecstasy
0:39:32	melody are just clones windows ninety five we kind of support that in you know
0:39:37	the menu success and i mean id is there actually any design coming from that
0:39:42	or there's various questions coming up but the they are very capital
0:39:49	to save like that like one of the things is when we did the place
0:39:53	a sidebar
0:39:57	the place aside box of the places side but have an entry for desktop
0:40:02	because we don't show the desktop and you know
0:40:05	but the desktop get show that it would do
0:40:08	and ecstasy
0:40:11	and i like stevie searchable file to the have an entry for the best well
0:40:16	that was one of the questions that showed up that i remember
0:40:29	it's
0:40:37	right
0:40:39	right
0:40:53	so the best top needs to tell you
0:40:57	like all windows you probably one problem
0:41:02	all i was X you probably won't want to do they sell at the best
0:41:05	of what's the time
0:41:09	the people you get making the you know to look at comments are not just
0:41:13	talking about designed other also talking about like you approach to especially the pace of
0:41:18	the development you know we change things we make sure mostly works with gnome applications
0:41:23	and then that is that is what i sat with the people like we still
0:41:29	hobble we think we still want to be bold because we still don't have a
0:41:34	we still don't have G L
0:41:36	we want based things and everybody ones us to have a stake even the people
0:41:41	that play in that we are not stable a saying you should be stable and
0:41:45	also have these features
0:41:49	i guess that i don't think there is anybody right now that's as G T
0:41:54	K C D's today looks also let's freeze it and never touch it again and
0:42:00	then we're right applications
0:42:10	we still somewhere in the pros is what we do they will that
0:42:15	i would like this to be back sooner rather than later but
0:42:20	it's work and somebody has to do it doesn't happen it's
0:42:27	and that's all i can say about it can say we'll that year we set
0:42:30	that two years ago and that the what
0:42:36	any questions
0:42:39	okay thank you very much but

GTK: To infinity and beyond

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Benjamin Otte